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oil tank leak: repair method? #139375
04/16/08 5:46 am
04/16/08 5:46 am
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Billings, MT
Brendan Shannon Offline OP
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Billings, MT
67 T100R is seeping from seam of oil tank edge. The seams appear welded together not brazed. Has anyone just welded through from the back side of the seam, with a spot weld effect? Lots of heat beforehand to burn off the oil seeped into the joint? Anyone fix this successfully at home? Equipment I have includes propane torch and wire feed 110v welder.
Thanks,
Brendan


67 Triumph T100R
68 Norton Commando
71 BSA B50MX basket
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Re: oil tank leak: repair method? #139376
04/16/08 10:21 am
04/16/08 10:21 am
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Cheshire UK
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Rather than welding it have you considered one of the internal epoxy coatings on the market?, Petseal and such.

Might be a better option if it's just a weep.

Cheers

Bob


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Re: oil tank leak: repair method? #139377
04/16/08 3:49 pm
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Billings, MT
Brendan Shannon Offline OP
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That is another thought. I have the Caswell kit to do the gas tank, anyone know if this is ok in the oil tank?


67 Triumph T100R
68 Norton Commando
71 BSA B50MX basket
Re: oil tank leak: repair method? #139378
04/16/08 5:19 pm
04/16/08 5:19 pm
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North Georgia, USA
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Brendan -

You may be looking at the symptom of the problem and not the REAL problem. What folks more technical than I would call the "root cause". That would make the oil leak a mere "issue".

The Probable Problem
These tanks hardly ever have issues unless they are not free to vibrate separate from the frame/engine. So the things you should look for first are:

Bright shiny spots on the tank indicating that the tank touches the fender, battery box, frame, or more commonly, the seat.

Check the seat to have a full complement of the 1/4 inch high rubber bumpers on the underside to keep the seat from landing on the oil tank fill cap.

Replace all the rubber mounts on the oil tank (in case they have age hardened) and battery box per the parts book. The battery box has to come out to remove the tank anyway.

Since batteries that properly fill the battery box are hard to find, make sure the battery is cushioned well away from the oil tank with slabs of dense foam, like "Ethafoam". This is the very dense white or pink cushion material used to pack computer monitors and TV sets. It is expressly designed to fight vibration and shock.

The Issue
You are correct, the original oil tanks are roll welded at their seams. This is an electrical process akin to spot welding, but instead of tips it uses a set of wheels.

I would highly suggest you strip and braze the tank. The brass will go on at a lower temperature than TIG or gas welding, thereby reducing warpage, and will flow (inside and out) to fillet in all the stress points left by the crack. This will increase the strength of the tank and more importantly STOP the crack.

Epoxies will stop the leak, but the tank may continue to crank since the crack has not been stopped or reinforced. (If you've ever watched the crack in an automobile windshield advance, then you get the mental picture I'm trying to convey.) As the crack advances into new areas, the tank may leak again, and/or flake off pieces of epoxy on the inside of your tank and into your oil supply. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big proponent of Caswell, but your engine oil is not the place to experiment,if you catch my drift.

Hope this helps! :bigt:


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Re: oil tank leak: repair method? #139379
04/16/08 8:49 pm
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Cardiff Wales U.K.
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Yes I would go with RF Whatley.Braze is better at withstanding vibration than weld which tends to be brittle.


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Re: oil tank leak: repair method? #139380
04/16/08 9:47 pm
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Take it to a radiator shop that rebuilds automobile radiators. They can hot dip it, clean it, solder or braize it. Seems like that would be you best bet. Kevinski


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Re: oil tank leak: repair method? #139381
04/18/08 1:05 am
04/18/08 1:05 am
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Billings, MT
Brendan Shannon Offline OP
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Thanks all. The leak only showed up after the tank was removed and blasted and I noted some seeping at the seam on the bottom right side. There weren't any rub spots and the rubbers all seemed ok. The radiator shop is a great idea. I have been trying to keep the project as homegrown as possible but this is probably worth farming out.


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68 Norton Commando
71 BSA B50MX basket
Re: oil tank leak: repair method? #139382
04/23/08 1:37 pm
04/23/08 1:37 pm
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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My 1970 T100S' oil tank sprung a leak on the seams back in 2006. I took the tank off and had the millwright at the plant where I worked weld it. Then I repainted it with Tremclad high gloss barbeque paint, bought a new Minimum Oil Level sticker and it's been good as new for well over two thousand miles since.


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