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#100184 - 09/06/06 2:33 am Triumph Saint  
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...just for interest sake.....spent many hours on the back of one of these when i was too poor to own my own bike,MANY MANY years ago....i think they are pretty rare...built specially for the police force??.....i remember the police stopping us plenty of times but i dont think it was to reminisce laugh
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#100185 - 09/06/06 3:06 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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Going by the serial number it seems to be a Thunderbird. That would make it about 40 MPH faster on top end, right?

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#100186 - 09/06/06 5:42 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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I emailed this guy twice telling him a Saint and a thunderbird are not the same, and perhaps it was being misadvertised...no reply merely the snotty "anyone with VALID information" addition...anyway hes coming to reality..its gone from AU$25k to $17k and now $15k...who knows it might even become a thunderbird for $6k eventually.....eBay dont ya love it


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#100187 - 09/06/06 6:15 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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$25k ????........ eek i thought 15 was dreaming.....!!
wats the diff between a saint and a tbird?....was a saint just a tricked up version of a tbird for the police force?......i have some old b/w pics of the one my mate had...ill have to get them scanned in.....i know we always called it a saint,but we were too busy riding,drinking or fixing the thing (not nessercerily in that order!)to worry too much about its finer points or history laugh
if u dont mind me asking trophy...wat part of NSW are u?
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#100188 - 09/06/06 7:50 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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I remember drooling over a showroom full of used Saints at Camerons in Maitland when I was a kid, they were all ex NSW Police and all priced at $650.00.
I spoke to a dealer down here in Victoria a while back who told me the same happened in this neck of the woods.
There were heaps of them around but I guess they got flogged to death, I owned 6TDU17688 for a while but it had been through some careless hands before I got it.


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#100189 - 09/06/06 8:15 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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$650 to $25 grand on eBay... laughing
i remember a couple of my mates owning the one that was around in those old days.....more so "young and reckless hands" in our case ... laugh as i can also remember plenty of spanner work and buff and polish...


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#100190 - 09/06/06 8:25 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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#100191 - 09/06/06 8:43 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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eek whisky whisky whisky whisky .......or is that our problem?

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#100192 - 09/06/06 9:21 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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Quote:
Originally posted by bonnie john:
ebay is an alien plot to take over the world by sending halucinatory gamma rays into the minds of unsuspecting turd owners
Easily avoided by wrapping one's head in lead sheeting.

If you do not believe me try it, please post photos. laugh


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#100193 - 09/06/06 10:05 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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wasnt the saint "Stop Anything In No Time"and basically a TR6P or in effect a single carb Bonneville...no doubt the windscreen helps the top speed on this one tho, combined with a 16 stone cop on board with a Corker helmet....mind you it was probably chasing a hot FJ Holden (for aussies only)


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#100194 - 09/06/06 11:07 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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Isn't the frame number wrong? in my experience it should be the last numbers of the engine number for those years. Looking at this bike brings back bad memories for me, the arrogant cop standing there writing me out a ticket. Also I remember something about a "P" in the engine number denoting a police motorcycle (help me here Tiger) These bikes were made for police work and NSW (Sydney) police used them till 68 when they changed over to the Trophy 650 till 70 when they bought Honda 4's. Can rememember seeing them lined up for sale in Stan Ellis's Bike shop in Goulburn St Sydney and Hazel & Moores. Basiclly they were a T-bird with higher compression ratio and a different cam with windshield, blinkers and craven fibreglass panniers from memory, this one has leather bags? Anyway I won't be bidding $10,000 more than it's worth because a cops arse was on one for 2 years.
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#100195 - 09/06/06 11:28 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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....and wats more,probably farted on it on a regular basis... eek
...in between chasing us youthful ,safe,law abiding drivers and riders....
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#100196 - 09/06/06 12:55 pm Re: Triumph Saint  
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as regards rarity these were the main secondhand triumph market in the 60's in Australia...an excop trumpy quickly stripped of the extras , repainted,megaphones, and the crap flogged out of it (exorcised)....little did we realise they'd be worth $15000 now (well 3 of them would be anyway)


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#100197 - 09/06/06 3:48 pm Re: Triumph Saint  
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It's a T'bird.
The Saint did not a Parcel Grid and the front fender stay is not in correct position for a Saint

#100198 - 09/06/06 9:33 pm Re: Triumph Saint  
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The T100P was the police version of the 500cc Tiger 100R. One was taken around the world by Ted Simon laugh

In UK a 6T T-Bird would I guess be more than a SAINT probably because a policeman did NOT sit on it ! :p

mind, these police /government bikes were maintained at the tax payers expense - that is by you & me eek


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#100199 - 09/07/06 12:20 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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Were you aressted so you could get a ride on the back of it HA


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#100200 - 09/07/06 7:09 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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quote "I remember drooling over a showroom full of used Saints at Camerons in Maitland when I was a kid, they were all ex NSW Police and all priced at $650.00.".....
I seem to remember a new bonneville was only a bit over a $1000 in the late 60's, so they werent giving em away...I think the dealers had a scam with the auctions tho (how times have changed)


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#100201 - 09/07/06 9:14 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by retired-fireman:
<strong> Isn't the frame number wrong? in my experience it should be the last numbers of the engine number for those years. Looking at this bike brings back bad memories for me, the arrogant cop standing there writing me out a ticket. Also I remember something about a "P" in the engine number denoting a police motorcycle (help me here Tiger) These bikes were made for police work and NSW (Sydney) police used them till 68 when they changed over to the Trophy 650 till 70 when they bought Honda 4's. Can rememember seeing them lined up for sale in Stan Ellis's Bike shop in Goulburn St Sydney and Hazel & Moores. Basiclly they were a T-bird with higher compression ratio and a different cam with windshield, blinkers and craven fibreglass panniers from memory, this one has leather bags? Anyway I won't be bidding $10,000 more than it's worth because a cops arse was on one for 2 years.
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#100202 - 09/07/06 9:40 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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heres wat they would watch....and maybe they have a leather fetish? :rolleyes: laughing



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#100203 - 09/09/06 8:37 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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Maitland as a kid and Cops on Triumphs is a seminal moment in my childhood. Walking from the Maitland baths back to High st to catch a bus home to East Maitland..cop goes past on a Triumph..and the noise got into my psyche I reckon...can remember it clear as day! Then my brother came home from the army on his almost new 69' Bonneville and took me for a ride on the back. Ist bike was a T25ss...followed by a 58 Tbird, then a 69 Bonnie, then an 81 Bonnie.. then.. oh never mind...you get the picture..!

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#100205 - 09/09/06 10:43 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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You would have been walking up Church St and almost to High St you could take a right down a side street and you were at Cameron's, the only bike shop in town but what a shop, an old Picture Theatre with the ground floor full of stuff that we would cherish today.
I once got to go out the back past the counter and did not want to leave, there must have been a hundred Nortons, Triumphs, and BSAs out there.
Ian Cameron was a forbidding figure to we kids, very stern and you soon learned to do your homework before asking him a question [bit like Panic laugh ]
I remember him favourably, I once bought a genuine 500 Goldie inlet valve from him, marked price tag was 2 Pounds Sterling and he had Gordon Hellyer [Cameron's workshop foreman and the crankiest man on the planet] shorten it to match my sample, all up for $4. bigt
$4 was eight postholes dug in hard ground for the Old Man, $6 would buy you 3 gallons of Shell A to feed the bikes.
The Velo Twin had a rapid Ariel 500 and I an equally quick B31, both full on racebikes purchased cheap after short circuit racing fell in a heap and speedways opened locally.
Before the school holidays one year we dug a bunch of postholes for the Old Man and bought 15 gallons of Shell A, [in gallon tins] cleaned the local Shell depot out and we had the real racers calling out to the farm to buy fuel.
They were our heroes and good blokes so we sold it on at cost laugh
They were great days, Mum was good at repairing her boys and we knew no fear, fractures are not really "broken bones" but mostly just cracks.
My parents only ever got upset once, some low bastard school teacher lagged us in for not doing any homework for a year, we were doing real stuff in the shed during the evenings and the last laugh was the invention of the pocket calculator bigt
We read a great deal in any case, "Tuning for Speed" is very well written.
Maitland was a great place, the Velo Twin and I got to know the local outlaw club, the Gladiators, nice blokes back then but that may have changed.

We were walking down High St on the way home from school, some of the Gladiators outside the old "Doch and Doris" had the points cover off an XS2 Yam which was running on one cylinder and had not a clue.
I picked up a screwdriver, bridged one set of points and she chimed up on two, the bikies were sufficiently impressed to allow me to re-gap the points [by eye] and clean them with the striking surface of a borrowed matchbox.

I walked away with one of those few well earned smug smiles, these days the outlaws could not handle a schoolboy rescuing them, those blokes were for real.

Bloody good that the Headmaster of our school, nor any of his snitches, were present.

Neither the Velo Twin nor I joined their club [you fly with crows you get shot at] but they were a good bunch back then.


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Geez, that's a trip down memory lane! I'm in Korea for a year at the moment and this talk is making me homesick!

I was in Maitland last year and went to a swap at the showground. Much has changed but much hasn't. The "little black boy" is still in High st....but Turton's hole, the old brickworks where we rode $5 Bantams is now all houses. My Aunt is still living in the same house in Quarry st that she was way back in 1968.

An old mate of mine lives in Weston, ( 2 A65s, a Triton and a Matchy twin). He says the Gladiators are still a resonable bunch of blokes. You know.. like..they actually RIDE their bikes etc and not on just a designated club run and aren't wearing designer HD regalia from Frasers.

Roll on next year and back to my OIF project.!

Sean. Nice Bonnie by the way Brian from Oz.!


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cheers sean.....this thread has sure produced a few "good ol days" storys....nice tale tiger bigt

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#100208 - 09/10/06 6:54 am Re: Triumph Saint  
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I have recently aquired a 1967 Saint, and have done alot of reserch into it. The Saint was introduced into the Triumph line in 1967, it is in essence a continuation of the Thunderbird, which was last offered in 1966. However, the Saint was only available to police forces at the time. It is actually a low compression motor,7:1, single carb. This was due in part to the wide market of these bikes, reasoning being that they would run on any available octain fuel available. A genuine Saint would have the designation TR6P followed by the serial number ( engine & frame #'s match )The bike pictured looks to be a Thunderbird.


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