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#712618 - 10/25/17 2:52 am Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ??  
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Ya Know.... I like motorcycles. I get it that we need to be careful, or more so than car drivers,...... It's a thing you need to be aware of and accept in my opinion.
Why, WHY !! Is it OK for motorcycles to ride with their bright lights on in this Nanny state of California?? What?,.... a headlight isn't light enough? You think that annoying the oncoming traffic with blinding them will keep you safe? I can't make sense out of it, and honestly when driving my car it pisses me off!


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#712626 - 10/25/17 5:09 am Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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Okay, back up KC. So are you saying it's okay for motorcycles to run with their bright lights on for better visibility for other vehicles to see them? At least in California? Is that a state statute?



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#712629 - 10/25/17 5:36 am Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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Motorcyclists with their headlamp on is one thing, motorcyclists who insist on riding around on main beam is something else.

Rod

#712631 - 10/25/17 7:27 am Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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It's daylight high beams, not night time. It is recommended, not mandatory.

I think it's a good idea. Motorcyclists must comply with normal headlight laws during the night time.

Cheers,
Bill

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#712643 - 10/25/17 12:44 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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#712645 - 10/25/17 1:12 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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I'd defy anyone to tell me, in the daytime, whether I'm running on high beam or low beam with any of my motorcycles including the new ones.

There's just not enough light there. But it almost doesn't matter. People "don't see" giant yellow school buses or big red fire trucks every day, and run right into the back of them, or left-turn in front of them all the time ....

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#712646 - 10/25/17 1:14 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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It's my understanding, (and I admit not checking the law book myself), that it is Permissable for motorcycles to operate with high beams on for visability purposes.
Daytime riding with high beams on is the intended fix I believe.
Bill, I agree it does get your attention. And when it causes me to adjust my rear view mirror to night mode, it is past usefulness.
GrandPaul....... Those who do live,.... Than those who do. Missing the NOT maybe?


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#712650 - 10/25/17 1:39 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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I actually had a New York State Trooper tell me to ride with my high beam on once, because he'd puled me over after noticing my low beam bulb was out!


This is actually something I have mixed feelings about. I want to be seen. I want to see other motorcycles. In today's 21st century world, even if you never ride at night, is there really any excuse for not having a modern headlamp in your headlight shell? But who can blame a guy who's had car after car pull out in front of, or turn in front of him, for putting his high beams on? Car pulls out in front of me and guess what I do? Put on the high beams as if to say,
"do you see me now, @$$hole?"

OTOH, on a modern bike, why not have running lights? Create that "triangle" of lights and increase your own visibility ten fold! Add some LED flashers to the rear to also help people see you from behind.
There are many ways to increase visibility, many of which do NOT involve any "hi viz" colors, and which do not irritate or endanger other operators!


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#712652 - 10/25/17 1:53 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: Lannis]  
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Originally Posted by Lannis
I'd defy anyone to tell me, in the daytime, whether I'm running on high beam or low beam with any of my motorcycles including the new ones.

There's just not enough light there. But it almost doesn't matter. People "don't see" giant yellow school buses or big red fire trucks every day, and run right into the back of them, or left-turn in front of them all the time ....

Lannis


I bet on the Guzzi or the Sprint there is a discernible difference between low and high beam. Probably not on the Norton and certainly not on any of your BSAs. But why NOT put a modern H4 headlamp kit in the Norton, if for no other reason, to increase your own visibility? I have an HID low beam kit and PIAA halogens on the K1200 and PIAA halogens on the R100RS. I have an H3 kit on the Norton. That HID lamp lights it up believe me, yet the regular high beam bulb does add a bit extra at night. The headlamp on the R100 & on theNorton, I have aimed upwards just below oncoming drivers' line of sight. If I hit a bump, my low beams will flash up into their eyes just a wee bit. I've found that if you aim a headlamp up too high, the high beam will basically light the tree tops and will be of almost no use to the rider! Not to mention annoying everyone around you.

I've seen big ol pick-ups and tractor trailers with too-bright LED lighting kits... I think in Pennsyltuckey there's a law about how bright your lights can be on a motor vehicle. Too bright and you're over the legal limitations. From the PA Headlamp Law, Quote:
"(d) Total candlepower: The total candlepower for headlamps and auxiliary lamps shall not exceed 150,000."

KC, JUST FOR YOU, you MIGHT be able to make your voice heard....


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#712654 - 10/25/17 2:06 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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High beam, Hi-viz.....if it makes ya feel safer and gets you out on the bike, should it really matter? A high beam in daylight shouldn't "blind you" unless you look directly into it, Your pupils should be fairly small during daylight hours........under normal circumstances.

#712672 - 10/25/17 4:14 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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Originally Posted by KC in S.B.
GrandPaul....... Those who do live,.... Than those who do. Missing the NOT maybe?


Nah, I'm just stuck in the 60s and 70s where I started riding, and had lots of fun living the simple life.

We have way too many "laws" due to the bastardization of the American legal system by lawyers and greasy politicians. This country is in one messy turmoil that I want less and less to do with, and CA seems to initiate and instigate the less desirable aspects of it.

One of the GREATEST of our original inalienable rights - THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, can hardly be acted upon these days WITHOUT INFRINGING ON ANYONE OR ANYTHING, without running afoul of some stupid modern "law" that only serves to benefit lawyers.

I think I'll move out to the Texas hill country, even Laredo (pop 300,000) is getting too messy for me.I don't need no steenking malls and interstates...

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#712744 - 10/26/17 6:17 am Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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Dipped headlamps are designed with a pattern that when set correctly does what it says on the tin. Provides you with light dipped below the eye level of other road users to safely drive or ride without dazzling or distracting them. Modern dipped lamps have the advantage of a kick up in the beam pattern to illuminate the road side. Using main beam removes these design features and gives a broad beam of light for when you are alone on a dark unlit road and require extra light to travel safely. Using main beam can and will dazzle and or distract other road users day or night be they on coming or looking back through a rear vision mirror.

Therefore it seems to me that riding or driving around with your headlamp or lamps set to main beam shows a disregard for the safety of other road users. Some what ironic don't you think?

Rod

#712770 - 10/26/17 11:19 am Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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You're forgetting 2 things....

► Some dual headlamp motorcycles (like the older Yamahas) only light up one side on low beam. On low beam then, frontal observers that are off to the wrong side don't see any headlamp at all.

► Some newer LED bulbs only partially light up the reflector on low beam, making the m/c harder to see.

So what are you going to do, re-write the law to say if you got such'n'such a headlamp configuration, then you can do this... BUT if you got... What foolishness ! No cop or rider could remember or ever get straight.

The Hurt Report found that ~75% of all m/c accidents are frontal. I'm going with whatever gives me a fighting chance on the roadway. Sorry, but my rights to survive trump your rights to not be annoyed.


I think you're simply confusing etiquette with the law.


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#712795 - 10/26/17 4:10 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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I thought it was hilarious when the old BSA Bantam owner's manual warned you to be sure to "dip" your headlamp in traffic to avoid "dazzling" oncoming drivers .... !

You might do a lot of things with a Bantam, but "dazzling" anyone with the headlight? You could be up inside the headlight lens and not be dazzled ...

Lannis


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#712806 - 10/26/17 5:15 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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It's been a long time since I was dazzled...


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#713023 - 10/28/17 7:49 pm Re: Stupid MC Bright Lights law !! It's OK ?? [Re: KC in S.B.]  
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These threads always remind me of Malcolm crashing after being blinded by a lorry driver that didn't dip, so he installs a searchlight on his bike (complete with generator) and blinds the next lorry driver he encounters, who then crashes his lorry into Malcolm.

So many idiots in the UK with over-bright and poorly adjusted headlights.


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