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Why I hate full-face helmets #710566
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I know, they provide the best protection. But, I can't stand the things!

1. They're a PITA to get on and off, especially if you wear glasses.
2. Replacement face shields cost more than many other helmets. Too easily scratched and a PITA to clean, inside and out.
3. You can't smoke while you're stuck in traffic.
4. Most important, you can't flirt with the pretty girl on the sidewalk.

Nevertheless, I will be wearing my Bell Aerostar when I head for Barber tomorrow.


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710572
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...I suggest to up to the Bell bullitt.

Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710589
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I love my full face helmet, especially after a. big Mexican meal! Ya get to relive them enchiladas all over and over again!


"It is no measure of health, to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710593
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In the tone of this post (we all know FFH are safer), My engines always seem to run better with a full face helmet on!


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710596
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I won't ride with anything but a full face. Never cared for them till I moved out to where bugs can be as thick as raindrops and as hard as stones at times. I will admit to having to keep the shield open just a hair at all times. Even the best vent systems don't give enough air flow for that "in the wind" feeling for me.


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710597
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I leave my face shield wide open most of the time, certainly an back roads. Highway riding... which I don't do much of, I close the shield down. Or well in the RAIN too. laughing

KC, you don't get much rainout there in SB do ya?


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710599
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I have all three types -

"Full-face" helmet with a removable chin guard that turns into a "jet"-type helmet when you remove the guard but you still have a full face shield. With the chin guard off, you don't need to take your glasses off to put it on or off.

"Modular" helmet where the face guard flips up. Good for in-and-out of traffic, but unless you have a boss fairing, you can't ride at speed with the face part up.

"Full-face" with just a flip-up face shield.

Depends what kind of ride I'm taking and what mood I'm in.

Full face helmets with limited peripheral vision might CAUSE me to get into a crash that wouldn't have happened if I were more aware of my surroundings .... Racing, sure. On a real-world road ... maybe not.

Lannis


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710606
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I have a modern full face and a Bell open face. I wear the full face most of the time, less wnd and bugs in the face. I ride lke a WW2 fighter pilot looking around constantly expecting the unexpected. and generally in a sporting fashion on backroads and dont find the full face a problem


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710607
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I'm sorta claustrophobic - there's no way I can use a full face helmet. And I wear glasses also. But, I have a modular helmet that is great. I like it a lot. Face part is usually up until I get out on the road and up to speed, then drop it and use the visor sometimes as a vent. I used to ride with a standard 3/4 helmet and standard plastic face shield.


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710614
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...saying again: for all of you that have a problem with the fullface situations; you should check (and test in your head) the Bell bullitt. Is the only fullface that you can manage if you came from 1/2 or 3/4 helmet world. I did an extensive test on most brands regarding that fact. Is not a helmet for the guys that used full faces all his life because think they are to noisy and let enter too much wind.
Is there a real difference try it.

Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710627
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It's all about peripheral vision for me.

If I put on a helmet, and then cut my eyes sideways and I'm able to see the helmet, I can't use it. In the area blocked by the helmet, when I'm doing a quick shoulder check on the highway to change lanes, there could be an Audi doing 100 MPH in the space that's blocked and I'd be right in front of him when I moved.

My Nolan N43 has a big enough face opening that it doesn't block any of my vision when I look to the side ....

Lannis


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710628
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70% of head injuries in a motorcycle accident are to the FACE.

That clinches it for me.

Besides, good vision is about not having tears flowing in your eyes, and sunglasses screwing up your peripheral vision.

Cheers,
Bill


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710633
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I'm SO tempted to post a photo of me here for those still on the full face fence......... It's just too gruesome to have floating around the web. BTW, the Sunglasses lens bridge did the nose damage as the helmet pushed down. At least I have an excuse for the deviated septum some folks notice. ;~))


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710646
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...hey KC and the others with sunglasses, et all, I did all those tests and the only full face helmet approved that you can use sunglasses, you can remove the bubble or visor to use goggles, that you can use mics in the ear, and that have the BIGGER panoramic vision is the bullitt.
Removable lining, 3 different chin pads to fit accordingly, light, air jets and dozen of colors.

Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710651
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Traveling/highway modular, around town short trips a 5 snap open with a bird beak 3 snap shade visor. Got a Davida Puddin bowl also. Bought a Bell Star in 74 very small eye opening pretty heavy also.

Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710730
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Love em, wouldn't ride with anything else for all the reasons people stated above, safety is not even close with an open face (don't ask but a road race face plant in the old days could be gruesome), and I always where full face Arais, street dirt or track. But they have sure improved. My first one was the first one, the 1968/69 Bell Star with the non-moveable shield that fit VERY tight to your face. You had to breathe slowly and downward until you started to move or it would fog up. First time I wore it I ran across the track to my X-6 Suzuki in a Le Mans start and the thing fogged up so bad I could hardly find my bike LOL. Nowadays mucho better-o.

Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710733
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One of the best improvements in helmet design recently has been the drop down tinted internal visor. Now, I can leave off putting on sunglasses. One less step when going for a ride, which I do daily and sometimes multiple times in one day. It gets to be a pain.

So, I don't have to worry about being caught out after dark with a tinted main visor and have to ride home with the thing open and no eye protection.

I worried that the visor would be too dark or too light, but it's about perfect.

I bought the Caberg from Europe. I think I found it from an Italian dealer.

It also has the removable chin guard, so it's a convertible too, although I never ride without it.

My first was a second generation Bell Star. Very heavy. Things have really improved in just the last few years, so check them out.

Cheers,
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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710737
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Pretty sure my full faced Arai broke my collar bone in my last crash. Then again, the helmet most definitely, absolutely saved me from major injury to the face & head. There were scrapes on all sides of the helmet including a couple places where it was seriously ground down. All moving parts- and anything that could have come off did so. Yet I had zero injuries to my face, neck, or head- not even a. bruise or any soreness what so ever.

Don't recall if I was wearing sunglasses or not. Probability is high that I was tho, since it was broad daylight.


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #710741
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my oldest son has just discovered the Society for Creative Anacnronism, and therefore i have discovered an exciting new source for both full-face and open-face helmets.

[Linked Image]

^^^this elegant number costs only US$165, and would fit right in with my neighborhood here in the american appalachians.

need to wear some padding under it, but otherwise it's ready to go.

https://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-3108-crusader-flat-top-helmet.aspx


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. . . and don't even try to tell me that your leather jacket is anywhere near as cool as a riveted-link mail hauberk:

[Linked Image]

$119

cheap.


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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: HawaiianTiger] #710747
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Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger


One of the best improvements in helmet design recently has been the drop down tinted internal visor. Now, I can leave off putting on sunglasses. One less step when going for a ride, which I do daily and sometimes multiple times in one day. It gets to be a pain.

So, I don't have to worry about being caught out after dark with a tinted main visor and have to ride home with the thing open and no eye protection.


Cheers,
Bill


I'll vote for that. Even on bright days, riding in the mountains, where you need some sort of sunshade (glasses, visor, etc), you can ride into a shady dell and suddenly it's too dark to see through your sunglasses. With the drop down internal helmet sunvisor, a quick twitch of your hand and you can see again. You don't have to take sunglasses on and off (problematic with a full helmet) OR flip up your tinted visor and squint into the wind and get whacked by a june bug.

Then back into the sun and flip the sunvisor back down ....

I understand from all the FFATT guys the consequences of face-planting in a 3/4 or flipped-up modular helmet. But I have to balance against that:

1) Weight, neck strain, and fatigue

2) Limited vision

3) "Too-close" face shields fogging up from your breath.

All of those things will help get you INTO a crash if you don't watch out, and have to be balanced against the protection factor.

When it comes down to it, all of us would be safer in a Ford F-350 with side airbags ....

Lannis


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Originally Posted by kevin roberts
my oldest son has just discovered the Society for Creative Anacnronism, and therefore i have discovered an exciting new source for both full-face and open-face helmets.

[Linked Image]

^^^this elegant number costs only US$165, and would fit right in with my neighborhood here in the american appalachians.

need to wear some padding under it, but otherwise it's ready to go.

https://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-3108-crusader-flat-top-helmet.aspx


I think I read it comes with the optional sunscreen, which is why I ordered one. wink

Full face for me. I wear glasses normally. But I bit the bullet and got contacts. Pain in the aspirin bottle to put on. And, agreed, a screen isna the easiest to refresh. But if need be, I use just get with it. The contacts are a lot easier than shoving two chopsticks between my head and the inner helmet. And I can see better than looking through (in my case) a cockeyed (no pun intended) set of glasses that have gone awry.

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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #711053
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That helmet should be called the Bart Simpson. Ha....I made a joke.....!

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Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: DavidP] #711141
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I dislike Full-Face helmets for many of the same reasons. When I ride with a Full-Face, I feel much more removed from everything. Having said that, if my daughter goes with me, she gets the Full-Face. I typically wear my 3/4 helmet with goggles. I see and hear everything (hell, it is probably part of the reason why I have hearing loss). I acknowledge that it is not as safe, but it is the most comfortable helmet I have ever had and it is easy to put on. I also think there is a certain amount of inherent safety in being sufficiently comfortable that you are concentrating on what you are doing instead of how uncomfortable you are.
I don't like having to muck about with a lot of "gear" when I go riding. It is one thing I suppose, if you are going to be in the saddle all day, but it takes a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me if I have to change into a lot of special clothes to go for a ride. A Full-Face helmet falls into that category for me. A jacket, my 3/4, and gloves are good enough for me most of the time. In fact with some of the 90 degree plus days that have become more and more prevalent in NJ, I have been known to leave the jacket at home. I have had people tell me that I am foolish and wait till I have an accident. Well, I may be foolish, but I have had accidents. I didn't walk for almost 2 years. So, I understand that accidents involving a bike have consequences.
Heck, I am not as bad as one of my buddies who usually shows up on one of his old BMWs during the summer in an ancient Bell Star, a collared white shirt, Bermuda shorts and loafers (although I think he is trying to make a statement!)!

Ed From NJ

Re: Why I hate full-face helmets [Re: Lannis] #711144
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Originally Posted by Lannis
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I understand from all the FFATT guys the consequences of face-planting in a 3/4 or flipped-up modular helmet. But I have to balance against that:

1) Weight, neck strain, and fatigue

2) Limited vision

3) "Too-close" face shields fogging up from your breath.

All of those things will help get you INTO a crash if you don't watch out, and have to be balanced against the protection factor.

When it comes down to it, all of us would be safer in a Ford F-350 with side airbags ....

Lannis


Are you wearing an open face with just goggles? At high speeds ,it's my opinion, a modern "aerodynamic" full face is lessens neck strain compared to an open face with or without a shield..


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