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Alp 175.6 mph #625921
11/16/15 8:04 am
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Alp's 650 Triumph just ran nearly 176 MPH at El Mirage...

176 MPH


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #625922
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his bike shifts on the wrong side


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #625939
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Congratulations to Alp, well done

Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #625946
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Lot of HP for that engine.


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #625966
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Quote:
Lot of HP for that engine.


HP straight out of the can - still scary!

Most of the guys in the UK who "tip the can" have straps to retain the cylinder and head when they try to be a projectile. Trouble is it is not if, but when.


Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: John Healy] #625970
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JH,LSR and drag race Triumphs in the USA generally didn't use retaining straps....
Push rod naked frame bikes running near 170 MPH are mostly 1650 cc Harley or S & S engines making about 130 HP on race gas...Alp's bike is very small and he is obviously good at getting out of the wind...I bet his 650 is near 90 HP on nitro..


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #625972
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It's the one thing I like about LSR, is the classification. Personally, I want to make the best I can which still fits within the parameters of what could be used on the road, ie standard fork rake, petrol (albeit race fuel and not pump fuel) and using modifications that could be used on the road. Although it would be nice to run it on alcohol to see what sort of numbers it pulled, it takes it more into being how fast can you make a bullet instead of how well can you tune a motor.

That's just my view and preference and there's nothing wrong in any of that.

Alps numbers are still very good though, for the motor, it's great to see


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #625980
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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #625992
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wow.


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: kevin roberts] #625993
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Kinda takes yer breath away!! PRT

Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #626027
11/17/15 9:43 am
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Thats one hell of a ride and one major accomplishment!


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #626031
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tony, what is the black instrument with the small screen to the left of the steering head? it shows up in both your photo and his video, and also in some other recent pictures he's posted of this machine. it appears to be mounted on an adjustable round plate, and has four buttons on the side. doesn't look like a phone.

he was looking for an electric tach some time ago, but since he runs a magneto, he needed one that didn't use a battery. is that what this is or has he installed a performance logger?


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: kevin roberts] #626056
11/17/15 1:54 pm
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K , must data logger or tach or speedo ?


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #626062
11/17/15 2:46 pm
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It's pretty amazing to realize that video is from a preunit Triumph, if I didn't know that the guy was real and vetted by the group here, my first thought that it was just some scammer with a GPS reading in kilometers.

The engine never sounded like it was under some screaming strain, the start and pull-off was easy and quick, and he was up over 160 MPH in just a few seconds ....

Lannis


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #626120
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LSR is all about going as fast as you can. Alp is doing a damn fine job. I wonder how fast he will go when he gets it sorted out?


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: noisy norton] #626160
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Originally Posted By noisy norton
LSR is all about going as fast as you can. Alp is doing a damn fine job. I wonder how fast he will go when he gets it sorted out?


Yes ..he has taken the naked frame class to a whole new level..And the riding part seems so simple,but it isn't ...And not be afraid to spend a buck grin


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #626166
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Alp has both a Vintage legal (pre-1955) motor and this one that runs in 650 A-PF which does not need to be pre-1955. He can use whatever components he wants as long as the motor is not over 650cc. Not to take anything away from Alp, as he has definiteIy got that motor tuned in, but I'm looking forward to seeing him on the Salt Flats where he will have to keep that motor wide open for a full mile after he reaches his speed, and then make a similar back-up run to set the Bonneville speed record.

Alp is on a course to re-set all those old pushrod records!

Tom


Life's uncertain - go fast now!
Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #626186
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Will he not lose a lot of performance from the thinner air KK. Hope he still gets some records though.

Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: kommando] #626231
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Theoretically, yes. But I seem to go just as fast at Bonneville as I do at Loring. Maybe less horsepower but less wind resistance.
Tom


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: koncretekid] #626233
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El Mirage where Alp's bike just ran is 2900 foot elevation... The video says the air density was over 4000 foot....That's similar to Bonneville...
KK, I also have had guys say they run faster at Bonneville than Loring or Maine...But the paved tracks are shorter....


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #626240
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ah, if only the world had its priorities straight . . .



kennedy shuttle landing strip, in florida, usa.

15,000 feet long, sea level air density, no such thing as winter.


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: kevin roberts] #626249
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Kevin,
Loring is 14,000 feet long and 700 feet above sea level. Unfortunately, there's winter.

Bonneville is 4,400 above sea level, density altitude is typically 6500 feet.

KK (Tom)


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Re: Alp 175.6 mph [Re: Hillbilly bike] #626251
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outstanding!...and thanks all for bringing this to share with the class, have a cookie!

Great job Alp, very nicely done and original (if backwards haha ) thinking, and brave too.

Full marks...

Hillbilly, I see two GP's in the bench picture and sorta see a bolted on manifold maybe.

No giant long intakes like we see sometimes, normalish megas.

The bench picture shows the drive on the left...so in the other picture, what a lot of work to change it to right hand drive...and change the graphics as well...
..ha, what'd I win?
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(nah, I fell for it for a while...)

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this is one of these moments like 1956? when a single engine 650 ran 193+ in a Cigar

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Its something we may not see again for a long time. A lot of nitro and get as much as you can out of the wind. Stu Harnick photo.



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