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#588028 - 03/01/15 5:52 pm A65 big ends  
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Hey gents, I'm putting my '70 A65L back together after having some machine shop work completed by Bill Coleman in Baltimore after numerous recommendations to use him. I had about 2500 miles on the bike since my last rebuild, but wanted to take care of some nagging problems. 2500 miles ago, I had the journals ground to .010 under and the bike ran fine after that. I just put the connecting rods back on with new bearings, but they feel a little bit tight. We're not talking outright binding, but I have to give the connecting rod a little nudge for it to fall on its own. I also tried using the old bearings, but had the same issue. No new work was done on the crankshaft.

Mr. Coleman checked the crankshaft journal tolerances and said they were good. I checked the tolerances between the connecting rod big ends with bearings and the journals. My calipers said .0015" tolerance. I also use plastigauge which indicated it was between .001" and .0015" tolerance, but more toward the .001" side. The manual says .001"-.0025" bearing diametrical clearance, so I assume I'm within the tolerances? As it ran fine before, should I not worry about it and reassemble, or is this an issue?


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#588045 - 03/01/15 7:17 pm Re: A65 big ends [Re: JD]  
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It looks/reads as fine to me, for your own curiosity , try heating the rods with a hot air gun and see if they fall more freely.
I like plastiguage and your readings seem good to go.


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#588049 - 03/01/15 7:43 pm Re: A65 big ends [Re: JD]  
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This may sound like a daft solution but try bring the lump ( crank, rods) into the warmth of the house.

On my current build, the rods showed zero play on the rods, however when I put the micrometer ( calibrated) on the journals they both read .005" under spec. As it was about 1°c when I measured the journals I decided to bring the crank and the micrometer into the house for a couple of days. After the first day the journals still felt very cold, after the second the whole crank felt warmer so I measured again ( about 16°c) the journal size had grown upto the specs written in the book.

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#588187 - 03/02/15 4:18 pm Re: A65 big ends [Re: JD]  
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Yeah, crankshaft and con rods are inside...have been for almost a week since it's too cold to work outside. I might try heating up the rods to see how easily they fall. Either way, it looks like I'm going to keep them as-is.


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#588433 - 03/04/15 9:42 am Re: A65 big ends [Re: JD]  
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Hello JD:

If the rod journals are both @ tdc it will take a bit of a nudge to get that lump to move.

Obviously their are other things that will cause the rotating assy. to drag.

Did your machinist line ream and hone your main bushing and cam bushings?

Hope he left the correct chamfere on the rod journals.

During the assy. of the engine did you check the torque required to turn the crank after each step.

Remember that things like timing gear and primary alignment also the oil pump can be an issue.

Was the crankshaft end float checked after the primary assy. was installed? .001 from what I remember is to tight.


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#588456 - 03/04/15 12:51 pm Re: A65 big ends [Re: JD]  
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I read it as just the conrods seemed tight.


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#588502 - 03/04/15 5:31 pm Re: A65 big ends [Re: gavin eisler]  
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Originally Posted By gavin eisler
I read it as just the conrods seemed tight.


+1 now we have fabricated a cam issue grin


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#588549 - 03/04/15 11:01 pm Re: A65 big ends [Re: JD]  
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I appreciate the advice GM, but Gavin, you're right. The query was just for the con rods.


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#588557 - 03/05/15 12:02 am Re: A65 big ends [Re: JD]  
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Have you checked your con rod big ends to be sure they are round? I find many of them are not and this will cause the tight feeling you are noticing even though your measurements say you are ok.

#588628 - 03/05/15 12:13 pm Re: A65 big ends [Re: JD]  
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Hiya Ed, yes, the machinist checked them out as well as rechecking the crankshaft journals. I also checked both of them and found no issues.


Josh

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