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b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? #525900
02/01/14 10:11 pm
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EXTREMELY!

So I open a new package and remove a new quadrant and bearing and slap it in. The end of the "wheel" is too high and binds on the teeth of the ratchet pinion. Grind that down and the first "square" tooth hits of the point of the pinion teeth and binds.

Grind that down and the first full tooth is profiled wrong. hits on the point of the pinion teeth and binds. Slightly modified and now the teeth all mesh.

Then I put the cover on. Soon as the screws are snugged the shaft binds. (see a pattern here?}

The shoulder on the kick start shaft is too long and binds on the flange of the bushing. Removed and replaced the bushing 4 times before I got the flange thinned down enough to not bind.

Then I put on the nice shiny new kick start arm and insert the new metric cotter with an 8 mm wrentch to the tighten the nut and............ the arm binds on the case.

Not sure if the keyway is cut too far inboard (most likey) or the bottom of the arm is too thick. make that WAS too thick. Careful use of a grinder fixed that one.

Insert primal scream here.


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Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #525903
02/01/14 10:14 pm
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Richrd....it just doesn't sound right on a lot of levels. I've never been lucky (?) enough to have a "new" quad...but I've never had a problem with used ones either.

If someone could have stopped all the blockheads that didn't know how to start a single they wouldn't be so chewed up in the first place.

Did ya talk to Floyd?

Opie

Last edited by Gordon Gray; 02/01/14 10:19 pm.
Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #525913
02/01/14 10:57 pm
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yes, he's good, I'm trying to talk him into coming back to BR


Rich (member ThreeMustGetBeers)
"It's not always about going fast. Sometimes it's nice to slow down" (Wendy E.2016)

69 bonney
72 commando
75 commando interstate
06 Suzu..Suzu.. uh appliance
couple of beesas a ducati
and the Snake Bike
and a Honda?
Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #525919
02/01/14 11:52 pm
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Are you sure you bought the right parts?

Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #525922
02/02/14 12:25 am
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I'm sure. this is the state of new parts. 30% of my time in the shop is trying to make things fit. it sucks


Rich (member ThreeMustGetBeers)
"It's not always about going fast. Sometimes it's nice to slow down" (Wendy E.2016)

69 bonney
72 commando
75 commando interstate
06 Suzu..Suzu.. uh appliance
couple of beesas a ducati
and the Snake Bike
and a Honda?
Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #525965
02/02/14 8:37 am
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Richard,
You are the recipient of an inferior probably imported from India part,I have a couple of these on the shelf just to remind myself to never purchase them again. At first they look like a bargain but after going through what you just described they are no bargain.
There are good correctly made B44 quadrants available and we stock them so if you cannot locate one please feel free to contact us and we will supply one for you
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Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #526070
02/02/14 4:22 pm
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thanks Ed. but in my case I do not buy the parts, I have to use what I am given.

You are right about the India connection and most parts from china. People need to be aware that there is a problem and when ordering parts, to specify what they want. cheap or good.


Rich (member ThreeMustGetBeers)
"It's not always about going fast. Sometimes it's nice to slow down" (Wendy E.2016)

69 bonney
72 commando
75 commando interstate
06 Suzu..Suzu.. uh appliance
couple of beesas a ducati
and the Snake Bike
and a Honda?
Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #526071
02/02/14 4:25 pm
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It seems it's not going to work at all. the profile on the teeth is too far off and creates so much interference that the ratchet won't return.


Rich (member ThreeMustGetBeers)
"It's not always about going fast. Sometimes it's nice to slow down" (Wendy E.2016)

69 bonney
72 commando
75 commando interstate
06 Suzu..Suzu.. uh appliance
couple of beesas a ducati
and the Snake Bike
and a Honda?
Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #526116
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Originally Posted By: Richrd
in my case I do not buy the parts, I have to use what I am given.

cheap or good.



Looks like you opt for cheap it appears? laughing

Peter

Last edited by Peter Quick; 02/02/14 8:10 pm.

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Re: b44 k/s quadrant, how hard can it be? [Re: Richrd] #526286
02/03/14 5:41 pm
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Richard,
If you are doing the work for someone else and they give you inferior parts it makes your work look bad so I would refuse to use them. How much time did you waste so far trying to make this part work and in the end it will not? Are you saving yourself or your customer money?


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