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#525613 - 01/31/14 9:51 am Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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#525619 - 01/31/14 10:25 am Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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I read enough here that I'd have to say it WILL cost him my business.

In the interest of full disclosure, I feel this is a good place to vent my spleen on a related note.

In the course of 8+ years doing client work (ended as of 1/1/14), I have had my share of warranty issues. No blow-ups, nobody injured. I have made every claim good to the last penny with EVERY client telling me PERSONALLY that they were satisfied.

Yet, there remains one person (not a client, strangely enough) on a personal crusade to bad-mouth me at every opportunity, including taking advantage of my announcement in the Rod & Tappet.

I guess all I'm trying to say is, I'd like just once to hear publicly the OTHER half of the story. At least I'm not avoiding the confrontation, I have publicly admitted my mistakes and publicly owned up to them. And this was not just because I publicly MADE those mistakes, posting my ongoing projects right here on this and several other forums for all to see and criticize; no, I admitted it and made it right because that's how businesses are SUPPOSED to be run.

I'm not the only one that has done the right thing in our community, there are other imperfect tradesmen & vendors out there that do the right thing.

I'd like to think Joel will make it right, but everyone who has read this thread or heard the negative stories has every right to take appropriate precautions.

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#525656 - 01/31/14 2:38 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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I've never doubted that you are one of the good guys GP.
I only wish I had better radar when comes to the not so good.

I've had my detractors too, but in most cases it seems to have been bred from personal problems on their part, like low self esteem, jealousy and envy. It's likely the same thing for you.
Sometimes I think it would pay not to look too happy, too successful, or too blessed. It's like walking around with a target on yourself.

That's a shame really.

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#525659 - 01/31/14 2:56 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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Like with Me and Armours, A. Gagg & Son, and Central wheel.

Never tried Gaggs so can't comment, Central Wheel have been ok but I buy only rims from them. But Armours I have used and definitely cannot recommend to UK or non UK buyers.

#525687 - 01/31/14 6:49 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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This really shouldn't become a wheel thread, but I would advise steering clear of East Coast Wheels, as they were unadulterated, outright liars from the word go. It took my credit card company to get that one straight. World's worst for communication, no attempt to resolve (strenuous attempts to deny), and no remorse.

Pretty much the same thing from British Parts Chicago, whom most on here are already aware of.

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#525698 - 01/31/14 8:11 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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And just to redress the balance (pun!) on the wheels issue I have just received yesterday a 21" stainless steel rim direct from Devon Rims in UK complete with spokes for a very non standard combination of hub and rim (3.00 X 21 rim on a Triumph 8" conical front hub) in order to upgrade the braking on my 1973 TR5T.
Ordered 2 1/2 weeks ago, made specially and delivered in New Jersey yesterday.
And such a beautiful rim--don't know whether to put it on the bike or the mantelpiece!
Expensive but excellent quality and great service.
There are many good suppliers about but lets shame the bad ones and so get rid of them.

#525702 - 01/31/14 9:12 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: Tridentman]  
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Tridentman,

I would love to see pics of the bike with the new wheel on it when you get a chance. That is something I might consider in the future as well.


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I have just received yesterday a 21" stainless steel rim direct from Devon Rims in UK complete with spokes for a very non standard combination of hub and rim (3.00 X 21 rim on a Triumph 8" conical front hub) in order to upgrade the braking on my 1973 TR5T.


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#525704 - 01/31/14 9:26 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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Jon--no problem--will do.

#525713 - 01/31/14 10:02 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: Tridentman]  
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Thanks T-man !


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#525720 - 01/31/14 10:40 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: GrandPaul]  
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Maybe its because you spent every moment of your time for 5 years trying to pass yourself off on every brit/vintage bike forum available as a "restoration expert" and then when your work gets called out as sub par (by many of your customers) you fall back on "i have never had a unsatisfied client" (which we know isn't true) and then whine when anyone points it out - you made your bed by promoting yourself on every brit bike forum, so if you get called out on these same forums you deserve it

http://www.accessnorton.com/hunter-atlas-refurb-project-t15774-60.html?hilit=hunter%27s%20atlas

http://www.accessnorton.com/born-again-bikes-experience-t14169.html?hilit=born%20again%20bikes

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Originally Posted By: GrandPaul
I read enough here that I'd have to say it WILL cost him my business.

In the interest of full disclosure, I feel this is a good place to vent my spleen on a related note.

In the course of 8+ years doing client work (ended as of 1/1/14), I have had my share of warranty issues. No blow-ups, nobody injured. I have made every claim good to the last penny with EVERY client telling me PERSONALLY that they were satisfied.

Yet, there remains one person (not a client, strangely enough) on a personal crusade to bad-mouth me at every opportunity, including taking advantage of my announcement in the Rod & Tappet.

I guess all I'm trying to say is, I'd like just once to hear publicly the OTHER half of the story. At least I'm not avoiding the confrontation, I have publicly admitted my mistakes and publicly owned up to them. And this was not just because I publicly MADE those mistakes, posting my ongoing projects right here on this and several other forums for all to see and criticize; no, I admitted it and made it right because that's how businesses are SUPPOSED to be run.

I'm not the only one that has done the right thing in our community, there are other imperfect tradesmen & vendors out there that do the right thing.

I'd like to think Joel will make it right, but everyone who has read this thread or heard the negative stories has every right to take appropriate precautions.

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#525761 - 02/01/14 9:04 am Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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Wow, I read through those threads, it makes me feel better about myself and my wrenching skills.

I'm only a novice/amateur mechanic having only rebuilt one Honda bike in my time, but some of those cock ups are beyond even my lack of expertise.

I never intend not to do my own work but it's nice to know who is who on the net.

#525772 - 02/01/14 10:36 am Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: Acebars]  
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Exactly !! - the Norton forum moderators really did a disservice to britbike owners when they actually deleted threads like this because GP was a "forum" member - live by the sword, die by the sword!

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Wow, I read through those threads, it makes me feel better about myself and my wrenching skills.

I'm only a novice/amateur mechanic having only rebuilt one Honda bike in my time, but some of those cock ups are beyond even my lack of expertise.

I never intend not to do my own work but it's nice to know who is who on the net.

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#525789 - 02/01/14 12:27 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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I've never called myself an "expert".

Facts are nice to have around.


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#525831 - 02/01/14 3:54 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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Jon,
I am putting a Triumph 8" conical front hub into a 3.00 X 21 rim to fit on my 73 TR5T.
The TR5T has the same front forks as the 72 BSA B50SS (which has the 8" conical as standard)and the anchor slot for the 8" conical is already there on the TR5T forks.
I use the TR5T mainly on the road and the standard 6" front brake is pathetic and actually dangerous in todays traffic.
So I will gladly send you a photo--but don't hold your breath--this is one of several projects currently on the go!
Richard

#525839 - 02/01/14 4:29 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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I'll bet that you can list on one hand the number of experts on Triumph from '37-'83, indeed if there are any at all. Add to that BSA, Norton, Matchless etc, etc. and what you may have are a few specialists. There are a few individuals with enormous amounts of knowledge on a few subjects and many with a little information on a lot. So, take your pick.

I think there are a few of these (expletive deleted)'s around that expect everything good fast and cheap.

In the real world, you may get two of these reasonably from some very excellent establishments. More than that and any business will fail very soon.

I think, Paul that you have one of these guys hounding you. These jack@sses do more damage than can be measured. Please don't take it to heart. I know you will always do the best you can do.

I read all those threads and failed to see what the problem this guy really has.

Cheers,
Bill

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#525846 - 02/01/14 5:38 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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I have read many stories of rip-offs, ham-fists, and hack jobs, but I don't recall a single one that the client(s) reported having been made square. At least not on any of the forums I'm on (and that's a few).

Back on topic, if I need another meter repaired, it won't be Levine, it will be Bohman or Nissonger.



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#525855 - 02/01/14 6:55 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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Bohman is one of those guys that will make it right if it isn't...One cannot expect more from a person...He actually doesn't take payment until you receive the items and are satisfied...From a person that has worked on others bikes in the past it is no easy task..If there is any person on this site that does everything perfect every time then speak up...We are all human and make mistakes...It is how we handle these problems that determines good or bad service..


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#525857 - 02/01/14 6:58 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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I think, Paul that you have one of these guys hounding you. These jack@sses do more damage than can be measured. Please don't take it to heart. I know you will always do the best you can do.

I read all those threads and failed to see what the problem this guy really has.

Cheers,
Bill


Not sure who that was referring to.

I don't really want to get involved in any bickering matches, I'm new to this forum and brit bikes for that matter so have no personal involvement with anyone + I do most if not all of my own rebuilding work.

But if what was discussed by not one member on those threads (and others linked to it) is true its some pretty horrific slapdashery, from more minor things like loctite on head nuts to more major things like incorrect swing arm fittings and alignment and engines blowing up.

I'm not an expert but even I know about such things and never had such issues when rebuilding a complete CB500t basket case.

Then again I do read and read and read about mechanics and learn from my many mistakes. My problem is not about being bothered to learn but where can I get more decent material to learn from. Forums do help a lot but the information and sources must be evaluated.

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#525881 - 02/01/14 8:28 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: Acebars]  
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The whole point is every one of those customers after spending thousands of dollars with some one that advertises " I specialize " which some will assume as "expert" gets the kind of work which is even below amateur level. After sending your bike and hearing fast turn around and seeing all the posting about progress, than receives a POS that is problem #1. After this and hearing all the promises most are devastated is #2. Than the customer is told to find someone to fix this mess @ his expense is NOT what one should have to do after paying big money to this " professional ". If you look at "hunters atlas " it was posted about several test rides and tuning than he receives a NON running bike, again with "take it to some one else and I will pay" again problem #3. IMHO the things that can not be made right is the time lost and anguish on the customer. The whole point being made is not whether he steps up and makes right ( which he has done )is that one should not have to go through the time, money, lies and anxiety this has caused. I did redo one of his bikes ( all the way to a bare frame) and kept quite till it was obvious he has no clue how to build a quality norton and refused to listen after some of his errors were pointed out.


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#525882 - 02/01/14 8:28 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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There haven't been any engines blowing up, and the swingarm fitting were correct, but worn.

I rode the Atlas several times.


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#525893 - 02/01/14 9:44 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: GrandPaul]  
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that is not what the owner reported. here is the edited post.

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Postby M1Lover » my Atlas is still a project bike. I don't want to go into the details but the bike, though all in one piece, does not run. Paul told me, on at least four separate occasions, that my project would be completed, running, absolutely, without fail. To say the least, that was not the end result. Paul seems like a good guy and has offered to make it right. That said, "Making it right" is exactly what I expected from him in the first place.



Originally Posted By: GrandPaul


I rode the Atlas several times.


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#526160 - 02/02/14 11:58 pm Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: bill50cal]  
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“The whole point being made is not whether he steps up and makes right (which he has done ) is that one should not have to go through the time, money, lies and anxiety this has caused.”

I couldn’t have stated it better. That was my exact experience (w/o lies) several years back.


Bruce


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Nisonger did an excellent job on a Chronometric tach .

I have no idea what this other discussion is about...Am I missing something?


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#526193 - 02/03/14 9:41 am Re: Who does chronometric repairs? [Re: stubbicatt R.I.P.]  
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I also use Nisongers--and very satisfied with the quality of the service.
As for the rest of the thread--well---I think Jon and I are jointly guilty of the sin of digression on the wheel/rim issue.
As for the other digression--- I think GrandPaul has one or more very dissatisfied customers--but I have learnt long ago not to pass judgment without knowing both sides of the story.
I have also learnt that you never know all of both sides of the story so consequently---I never pass judgment.
Just my 2 cents worth

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sounds like yet another GP disaster surfaces - sure there's some excuse that came along with it too about another satisfied customer (that had to get someone else to fix it)

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“The whole point being made is not whether he steps up and makes right (which he has done ) is that one should not have to go through the time, money, lies and anxiety this has caused.”

I couldn’t have stated it better. That was my exact experience (w/o lies) several years back.


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