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Re: First Year Amal Concentric Questions [Re: Gary E] #508726
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Originally Posted By: Gary E
Gotta make it look good to fit in with all of those nice machines coming over to the '14 Rally from the UK and Europe.


Come on Gary, we need an upto date picture of this bike.


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Re: First Year Amal Concentric Questions [Re: John Bakker] #508747
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Marc B you hit the nail on the head. This is a Y engine.

Re: First Year Amal Concentric Questions [Re: John Bakker] #508765
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Originally Posted By: MarcB
In regards to the original poster, wasn't the '67 Lightning only available with Monoblocs regardless of early versus later? Is this a case of a Y or -Y bike, which came with a mix of parts?

You are correct. The '67 Lightning came with Monoblocs, and true '67 Lightnings are -Y machines (after #4144). Nothing on them is '69/'70.

"Y" bikes are '69 and '70 model year machines. They do not have any '67 parts on them (unless the parts are common among all the included years span). They are '69/'70 true and true, and with concentrics. Nothing about them is '67.

Originally Posted By: John Bakker
Marc B you hit the nail on the head. This is a Y engine.

Now we are getting the rest of the story. If your Lightning is a "Y" engine and frame, then it is a '69 or '70. It would have all of the features of '69/'70 and none of the '67 model year (unless it's a bitsa). Images of the engine and frame stampings would helps us confirm what you have.


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Re: First Year Amal Concentric Questions [Re: Gary E] #508812
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Gary,
Here are pics(I hope) of my engine & frame #s. The bike is registered as a '69 and the 'CC' in the numbers confirm that. The engine #'s are not matching and because they start with 'A65 LA', I assumed the engine was a 1967. Does the 'Y' change all that? Is this possibly the original engine for this frame?
Appreciate the input from you guys who live and breathe BSA.
Cheers,
John

Re: First Year Amal Concentric Questions [Re: John Bakker] #509076
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It is a Dash Y engine. 1967.

The Y engines are quite different, they have all the 1969 and 1970 features, ie of the year of their manufacture.

The Y engines have the numbers stamped on a raised engine pad, just like most other 1969 and 1970 models.


Why, Y, Dash Y..



Re: First Year Amal Concentric Questions [Re: John Bakker] #509110
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Kevin,
Appreciate you taking the time to clarify this for me.
Cheers,
John

Re: First Year Amal Concentric Questions [Re: John Bakker] #509260
10/06/13 12:05 pm
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So, what Kevin has said is the frame is '69 and the engine is '67. As a result, the combo is not original together.

In future correspondence, always be clear when stating 'Y' and '-Y' as there is a substantial difference between them.


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Re: First Year Amal Concentric Questions [Re: John Bakker] #548612
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I have a 1969 Firebird Engine & frame number EC22...A65F so May 69 but came out of the factory as a 1970 model and first registered Gloucestershire so never went to USA. When I bought it with 11,000 miles on clock in 1981 it was a heap of .... Amongst the problems West Coast gearing (17 tooth gearbox sprocket). Was also fitted with 2 stroke concentrics at the factory and absolutely useless unless on full throttle. I thought the Y stamp was put on at the factory for unsold machines returned to the factory which were then updated and sold as a later model year.

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