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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #510615
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Since it is an aftermarket item, who knows whether it is built to original specs or not. With no lever on the side how does one get under the muffler to get it down?


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #510623
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Pick at it with the toe like I have to with the A10 and early A65's without a lifting arm. There is so little ground clearance under the back tyre with the current stand that I can put the bike on main stand whilst still sat on the bike.

On another note I am considering fitting some TT pipes, I found your YouTube video's Gary, sounds good with the TT pipes!
According to SRM, the factory race bikes modified A10 silencers and mounted them to the ends of TT pipes. "Trevor" that was a member here had a photo of his bike set up like that.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Allan Gill] #510625
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Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
...There is so little ground clearance under the back tyre with the current stand that I can put the bike on main stand whilst still sat on the bike...

Weld some more material on the bottom of the stand legs. I'm doing that to the Firebird as it needs more height. Same situation. Also, adding a bit to the stops to give the stand a little more height.

Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
...I am considering fitting some TT pipes...According to SRM, the factory race bikes modified A10 silencers and mounted them to the ends of TT pipes...

Doesn't read like it would be very appealing to the eye. Also, with original shaped BSA TT pipes, the center stand cannot be used unless you cut it and make it narrow. No center stand on the West Coast Hornet model.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #510668
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For anyone interested, there is a '68 Thunderbolt ($4,600) and a '66 Spitfire MKII ($9,000!) listed on the Cleveland Craigslist.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: tomkatohio] #510780
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You could post the link to them on the Hot Links forum of this site...that is what that forum is for bigt

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Originally Posted By: tomkatohio
For anyone interested, there is a '68 Thunderbolt ($4,600) and a '66 Spitfire MKII ($9,000!) listed on the Cleveland Craigslist.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Jon W. Whitley] #510810
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Thanks - I will do that - I'm learning site etiquette slowly!


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Gary E] #510828
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Originally Posted By: Gary E

Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
...I am considering fitting some TT pipes...According to SRM, the factory race bikes modified A10 silencers and mounted them to the ends of TT pipes...

Doesn't read like it would be very appealing to the eye. Also, with original shaped BSA TT pipes, the center stand cannot be used unless you cut it and make it narrow. No center stand on the West Coast Hornet model.


Sorry, just floating ideas. The bike with the cropped stand will go with outboard pipes. The TT pipes would be for a project bike/something a bit special, I like the idea of the pipes being completely out of the way.

Did you ever get the sump with drain plug working with the TT pipe setup?


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Allan Gill] #510867
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Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
...I like the idea of the pipes being completely out of the way....

TT pipes are definitely IN the way. Inboard or outboard the frame, all pipes are in the way of something.

Originally Posted By: Allan Gill
...Did you ever get the sump with drain plug working with the TT pipe setup?

See the attached image. No room for longer studs required for the thicker alloy sump with drain plug with the TT pipes. About the only method would be to weld a thin nut on the bottom of the stock sump. But since wet sumping is really not an issue on this particular machine, the change is a bit pointless. To remove the stock sump now, the left pipe has to be removed first.



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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Gary E] #511571
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Hi Im a Newbie from the Uk about to buy a Hornet. I hope ! Would appreciate a look over by you experts but Im having problems posting photos, any help much appreciated. Maybe this will work sorry if they are all the wrong size Im sculptor on a Mac, should explain things… Engine number on the spare engine is A65HA14047 which matches the frame with an added Y. The engine in the bike doesn't match the frame. I guess you guys would suggest putting them back together? Thanks any advice useful.
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #511877
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Hi, anyone out there?...........

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #511883
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YO BISHOP: I'm here! For some reason it took several clicks to get the pics, but I got em. What do you wanna know? Looks great!

We can start picking at it, though. Tank sticker looks strange. Ugly front tire. Concentric carbs. No bash plate. Wrong shocks. Ugly plug wires. No gaiter straps. You need that kill switch sitting down there on that spare engine. Is the timing side crankcase half newer than 67? Nice bike I wish it was mine.

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #511934
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Hi Leon Bee ! Thanks for getting back. Didn't think my post was getting to your side of the pond! I first saw the bike at an importer over here. I originally went to see a 360 Honda CL Scrambler but then spied this in the shed and was smitten. As its USA market I had never seen anything quite like it here in the UK. Finding this forum was the clincher, the depth of information here is a bit of a gold mine, so with you guys help and what seems a good amount of parts here in the UK I am going to try my first restoration. I pick her up next week. I will keep you posted and try to improve my picture posting skills. Thanks for pointing out the kill switch ! Haynes manual ordered as are a set of Whitworth spanners... can't wait to get her in my workshop ! Will post some more pics but if anyone sees anything mismatched then feel free to have a pick. Thanks Ian

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So you haven't heard her run? Your neighbors are really gonna love those straight pipes.

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: leon bee] #512034
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She is not running yet leon bee, but I guess I may need to hand out the cotton wool, can't wait !

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Ibishop] #512158
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But when you get the bike out to some field or track and light 'er off, snarlin' across the field on song, EVERYONE who is used to the zing of 2-smokes is gonna be lookin' to see what monster has been let loose among the kiddies!!!

Yer neighbors MIGHT think someone's got a race vehicle, finally, and you might have a very interested audience!?

So, don't ruin it by lighting 'er off too early, or 'tuning' too late...... Or, revvin' th' heck outta it....
Makes yer 'tuning' window kinda narrow....

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Rickman] #512216
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Ha ha ! Thanks for the advice Rickman, now I really want to hear it ! Will post some more pics once Ive got to grips with the upload. Cheers from the UK

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Ibishop] #512346
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Delayed, but not forgotten. Just back from 10 days elk hunting.

Originally Posted By: Ibishop
...Engine number on the spare engine is A65HA14047 which matches the frame with an added Y...

Most likely the engine number is "-Y" at the end not "Y". It does make a difference. Don't ask why. Very long explanation.

Originally Posted By: Ibishop
...I guess you guys would suggest putting them back together?...

Yes, very much so. Higher resale value down the road.

Originally Posted By: Ibishop
...Would appreciate a look over by you experts...

As Leon has listed, plus hand grips look too long, no pipe support in front of engine, kicker too long, incorrect brake/clutch handle assemblies, and ditch the tail light. All minor items to deal with. A great start, as most of the Hornet specific items are there.

Also get a '67 Spares manual. More than worth it.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Gary E] #512416
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So Gary, after 10 days of elk hunting, are you enjoying elk steaks? beerchug


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #512506
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I figured I was going to have to explain. A 6x6.



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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #512537
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Hope thats a BSA rifle Gary

Cheers
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Naw, it is not. A Browning A-bolt. American...well, sort of. But at least it's not made in China.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #512611
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #512622
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Wow Gary - that's an awesome set of handlebars!


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #512628
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Yes, instead of calling old school highrise bars 'ape hangers', in this case they would be called 'elk hangers'?


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