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mush metal kick starter pins ? #441113
06/20/12 3:57 pm
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anyone else having problems with the replacement kick starter pins being sold, it seams like they last about 2 months before they loosen up.
is there a better quality pin available ?

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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #441114
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They seem to be mainly bicycle cotter pins being supplied now, motorcycle ones used to be stronger but not sure where to get them from.

I plan to use this guy the next time I need some.

http://www.bikesmithdesign.com/CotterPress/cotters.html

Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #441119
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Torch, If you can find someone to replace Keith Moore let me know. I crashed the 72 and need some parts and I don't like anyone I've talked to.


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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #441140
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I'm looking, too. I guess Bill Getty is not in the running since he's wholesale. I've talked to Don Hutchinson at length and he seems to have that in depth knowledge. What about the guys at Raber's?

As far as pins are concerned, I've been recycling the good used ones for some time now....
Bill


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1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger"
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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: HawaiianTiger] #441152
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I'm proud to say that I am one, of many, reasons Bill Getty left retail.
Keith recommended Raber's for a part he did not have in stock. I ordered that part and a foot peg rubber and they got the rubber wrong. Fluke?


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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #441158
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I'd bet Mitch Klempf would have a line on some harder/hardened "cottahs".

I wouldn't think it'd be too difficult to heat-treat and harden one oneself, but then you'd probably have to put another layer of cad plating on it....

desco, once is a Fluke, IMO.

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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #441211
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Mike Carter, the moderator for the BSA bulletin board, used to have a few from a batch he and his brother made in the past. I have one and it is very solid. Try contacting him.



Originally Posted By: Torch2
anyone else having problems with the replacement kick starter pins being sold, it seams like they last about 2 months before they loosen up.
is there a better quality pin being available ?


Jon W.


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1968 T100R Daytona 500
1971 TR6R Tiger 650
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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: desco] #441938
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As for replacement parts...we spent over 60k last year at Keith's shop so as a matter of self survival we are now stocking and selling replacement British M/C parts at our shop, It seems many people still prefer a "walk in shop" in southern California,
We are now stocking parts from Coventry Spares, SRM, Rabers, JRC and several other places.
We will always be at a loss for Keith's wisdom, not a day goes by that I don't wish Keith was still here.
We were fortunate to inherit the services of Keith's loyal employee "Fuji" to help with the new parts venture to go along with our existing service shop.

Here is a link to Keith's shop for sale, I'm just $164,900 short of buying it.. smile
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mcy/3083308379.html

As for good quality kicker pins I am very interested in supplying these to our customers and if anyone knows more please contact me.
Tony @ www.ClassicCyclesInc.com or 714 974-1438

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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #441954
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Best of luck, Tony---I wish you every success.

Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #442652
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My $0.02

Do not use stainless steel. It's actually too "soft" for what you need. Stainless is not known for its tensile strength. Ever see a stainless head bolt? Good old hardened steel (made in the USA preferred). Anyone with machining knowledge and some good tooling steel should be able to make you up a few.


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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #442893
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...Needing a quick fix Kick pin...I tried a 5/16 #8 grade hardened steel bolt [Gold color ones at Hardware]....that was 5 years ago.....!!...

Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: kommando] #484782
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This is an old post and probably sorted but, for the benefit of others, I have had problems over the years with cotter pins working loose over a period of time on my 1970 A65. There is also something abhorrent about the idea of hammering in a pin with the attendant risk of damage. My friend James has therefore crafted this exquisite precision cotter press...

Cotter press

Cotter pin pressed home

Oversize cotter pins are available from L P Williams and, no, it doesn't matter which way round the pin goes!

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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #484790
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You could scratch things with that too.

There's nothing abhorrent about hammering! Use a drift, so your not hammering too close to the shiny covers.


Amateur Loctite enthusiast.
Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: triton thrasher] #508180
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Disagree! Hammering is abhorrent when there is a correct solution. I made many unsuccessful attempts at the hammering method. This works! The cotter pin has to be pressed home tight so that there is sufficient contact/pressure between the shaft and kickstart at the point opposite the pin.That is what makes the lever stick in the right position.

Last edited by frasercurmudgeon; 09/28/13 9:36 am.
Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #508228
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I have made my own stainless pins with 3/8 bar (think it was 303??? can't remember for sure) I made a poor job of making an OIF cotter pin slot work with a pre oif kick start lever, the only thing that wore was the shaft. Otherwise, I tend to fit the pin, and tap into position with a small hammer. Kick the bike over several times and hammer the cotter again... The kickstart movement helps it to settle, only ever tighten up the nut and not use the nut to pull the pin through. Never given me a moments grief with that method.


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Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Allan Gill] #508237
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The method shown to me 40 years ago is to drift the pin in from the rear only...
Then nip the nut...
Drift pin again...
Nip nut...
Drift again...
Nip nut.
Keep drifting then nipping nut till there's no more movement of the cotter!
Too often I see newbies fitting cotters by simply tightening the nut which ends up stripping the thread.

Re: mush metal kick starter pins ? [Re: Torch2] #508248
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Evidently, a previous owner or "mechanic" drifted the pin in from the front on my '77 T140.

I tried to remove the pin and turn it the other way but the pin is reluctant to budge.

I presume I need to hit it harder with drift/hammer?

thanks,
fried okra


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