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#365594 - 03/29/11 7:24 pm yet another OPRV question  
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ok so my A65 bitsa has 66 cases and flatfaced/ball type OPRV....the OPRV on my pal calvin's 72 A65T had domed face and piston innards...so does the OPRV on my 72 T120....ok..so are Triumph and late BSA OPRVs interchangeable with early ball type??? just ponderigng another bit of tinkering but dont want to open a can o worms
PS I see lots o the Triumph domed type on eBay some new some used

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#365615 - 03/29/11 8:58 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: ]  
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but is it the dome/piston type the same piece for both BSA and Triumph??


1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando project
#365627 - 03/29/11 8:33 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: raf940]  
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Originally Posted By: raf940
but is it the dome/piston type the same piece for both BSA and Triumph??


They fit, they may even work (are you willing to try?) but they are not the same.


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#366278 - 04/02/11 8:55 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: raf940]  
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The BSA OPRV opens at 50psi, the Triumph at 60psi. As I recall, the SRM opens at 60psi (one reason it results in better oil pressure?)
The one you really don't want is the OPRV for triples. That one opens at 75psi.


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#366315 - 04/03/11 12:19 am Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: raf940]  
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I took a domed one out of a late b44 or B50 I think. Could not see why it would't work. I was not much concerned about 50, 60 , or 75 psi. I want 40 psi cruising and at least 10-20 at idle and so far I have it.

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#366336 - 04/03/11 3:19 am Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: raf940]  
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I am not sure of the setting for a B50 but it has a needle bearing rod and roller/ball crank do it does not need nearly the pressure of a plain bearing.

#366359 - 04/03/11 6:49 am Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: raf940]  
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The B50 one is set for 50psi, it just never operates.

#366390 - 04/03/11 1:33 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: kommando]  
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What is a safe operating pressure? Modern cars run about 70 maybe 75 psi. I am not so concerned about my bush as it is a much harder material that the original Vandervell. The rods have aftermarket shells. Early bearings were soft to provide embedability so grit would not damage the crank. With modern filtering systems, is that any longer important??? I dunno!

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#366401 - 04/03/11 2:13 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: raf940]  
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BSA seemed to use Whitemetal bearings which are soft and need greater protection from cavity erosion caused by excessive pressure, both Triumph and Norton look to have used Copper lead plated with lead indium which is a stronger base material with a very thin soft surface so need less protection.

All the replacements made by Glacier are aluminium tin with no plating and this is a harder surface than whitemetal or the plated lead indium surface, but the core is not so stong as Cu/Pb, so it performs in between. It is the material used in the majority of todays cooking autos. http://www.mahle.com/C12570B3006C0D49/CurrentBaseLink/W27P6HZ2575STULEN For high performance auto engines today they use exotic materials such as sputter http://www.mahle.com/C12570B3006C0D49/CurrentBaseLink/W26MAE7Q320STULEN .

So if you use the Glacier replacements you can go to 60 psi on a BSA.

I am sure the whitemetal in the A65 was a partial cause of the problems the A65 is percieved as having as the margin for error is decreased in the oil supply by using a soft bearing material as it overheats easily once the oil layer in the bearing is compromised.

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#366420 - 04/03/11 5:00 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: kommando]  
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Rod bearings : VP-D2 Microbabbit lined steel

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#366425 - 04/03/11 5:06 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: raf940]  
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Big end bearings are whitemetal, I was not refering to the bush.

#366435 - 04/03/11 6:40 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: kommando]  
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okay, I see that now

#366597 - 04/04/11 3:58 pm Re: yet another OPRV question [Re: raf940]  
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The B25 Unit Single bearings I have seen out of old engines are Whitemetal too, can only think this was BSA purchasing in league with Vandervell whose only option if forced to provide a cheaper bearing than the proper VP2 Trimetal had to supply Whitemetal (babbit) as they did not have the Aluminium/Tin technology in the 60's, they finally got Al/Tin in the 80's when they bought a bearing factory in Italy.


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