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Chopper Junk

Posted By: marino

Chopper Junk - 05/09/19 7:47 pm

Hey guys,

Any of you guys want to get rid of that old crappy chopper junk parts projects.
Give me a buzz. I will be interested in what you guys got. pictures preferred with some stories!

Thanks

marino
Posted By: hacksaw

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/11/19 3:25 am

where were you before i chopped up my ratty choppers? ?
Posted By: marino

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/11/19 12:35 pm

Late to the party as always
Posted By: Irish Swede

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/11/19 12:38 pm

What do you plan to do with that chopper stuff?
Sell it on EBAY?
Posted By: marino

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/11/19 1:08 pm

i am looking for chopper junk. I don’t have any to get rid of. Should of say WTB on it
Posted By: Irish Swede

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/11/19 7:01 pm

i realize you say you are looking to BUY "chopper junk."

My question is; WHY?

To RE-SELL it on EBAY?
Posted By: Irish Swede

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/11/19 7:02 pm

i realize you say you are looking to BUY "chopper junk."

My question is; WHY?

To RE-SELL it on EBAY?

For reasons of safety most of it should go to the scrap yard.
Posted By: Tridentman

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/11/19 9:12 pm

Irish--none of your business what he wants to do with it--unless you are selling stuff to him and make that information a condition of sale.
Just my two cents worth of course.
Posted By: Lannis

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 12:28 am

Originally Posted by Tridentman
Irish--none of your business what he wants to do with it--unless you are selling stuff to him and make that information a condition of sale.
Just my two cents worth of course.


I've always wondered ... How can there ever be a "condition of sale" for something like this?

I've seen people put up an ad for something, an old car or bike or motor or parts, and the ad will say "I will NOT sell to anyone who is going to chop or modify this, hot rodders stay away!".

Now, if this is just a guy in the marketplace, not a friend who is asking me to do something for sentimental or personal reasons, he has no right or expectation for "conditions" after we make a transaction and he has my money and I have what were formerly his goods. If a guy has a '57 Dodge, and says "You have to leave this car stock, I will not sell it to you if you are going to chop it .... " I will be non-committal and offer him his price, and after it's done, I will make a kirk and a mill out of the car, or burn it up in my back yard, or part it out on eBay, or do anything I want with it.

It's like the guy says "Now I will sell you this car, but you must agree to abstain from marital relations with your wife for 2 months after you buy it, or I will NOT sell you the car!". I mean, what do you say to something like that? I'd show him the money, tell him what he seems to want to hear, and disappear down the road, his asking price safely in his hand and any connection with him severed forever. Anything else would be crazy.

And what the hell is wrong with buying old chopper parts and frames and selling them on eBay? I've found old chopper parts in generic swapmeet boxes I've bought, or bought old chopper peanut tanks, old chopper frames with BSA motors and flat rear fenders in them, and I immediately unbolt the good stuff I want, and flog off the chopper tat on eBay, and it always sells. That's what eBay is FOR .... !!!

Lannis
Posted By: quinten

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 12:44 am

Originally Posted by Lannis
Originally Posted by Tridentman
Irish--none of your business what he wants to do with it--unless you are selling stuff to him and make that information a condition of sale.
Just my two cents worth of course.


I've always wondered ... How can there ever be a "condition of sale" for something like this?

I've seen people put up an ad for something, an old car or bike or motor or parts, and the ad will say "I will NOT sell to anyone who is going to chop or modify this, hot rodders stay away!".

Now, if this is just a guy in the marketplace, not a friend who is asking me to do something for sentimental or personal reasons, he has no right or expectation for "conditions" after we make a transaction and he has my money and I have what were formerly his goods. If a guy has a '57 Dodge, and says "You have to leave this car stock, I will not sell it to you if you are going to chop it .... " I will be non-committal and offer him his price, and after it's done, I will make a kirk and a mill out of the car, or burn it up in my back yard, or part it out on eBay, or do anything I want with it.

It's like the guy says "Now I will sell you this car, but you must agree to abstain from marital relations with your wife for 2 months after you buy it, or I will NOT sell you the car!". I mean, what do you say to something like that? I'd show him the money, tell him what he seems to want to hear, and disappear down the road, his asking price safely in his hand and any connection with him severed forever. Anything else would be crazy.

And what the hell is wrong with buying old chopper parts and frames and selling them on eBay? I've found old chopper parts in generic swapmeet boxes I've bought, or bought old chopper peanut tanks, old chopper frames with BSA motors and flat rear fenders in them, and I immediately unbolt the good stuff I want, and flog off the chopper tat on eBay, and it always sells. That's what eBay is FOR .... !!!

Lannis


If you put ethical boundaries as a condition of sale .
And the buyer does not honor those conditions..
The ethics are breached .
If no other enforceable provisions are provided for. In the conteact
The contract is enforced ...by the buyer knowing he has lied.
Posted By: hacksaw

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 1:14 am

whats being called a condition of sale is a bit of an over statement. what i think trident man meant, is ... what if he had a bunch of chopper stuff that was actually worth some money in that market. say he had a nice bates seat. a real bates seat. he might let it go cheap to a dude rebuilding a von dutch triumph. but if the guy is trolling to flip stuff for ebay money, maybe he wouldnt offer it. as this is primarily an enthusiast based forum where many of us have dealt with each other as like minded forum members, trident mans question is a good one. buyer and/or seller beware is not what i beleive this forum is all about. i do agree when something is sold its gone. the buyer can do what they want. but asking a question before the sale is perfectly legit.
Posted By: marino

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 2:56 am

You guys are taking this far. I just like the old stuff. I can’t be a collector stuff just like everyone?

Plus I like to change up my bikes.
Posted By: hacksaw

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 3:09 am

what parts are you actually interested in? and for what model machines?

Posted By: Steve Erickson

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 4:20 am

Marino, welcome to BBF.

Wise choice coming here looking for this sort of stuff... as you can probably tell, this isn't a chopper-oriented group. Lotsa that sort of crap gets taken off project purchases, and is often considered virtually worthless (and actually often is). I don't think anyone has ever asked for this here before... as you might have figured out by now. Bump and re-bump your post to the top every couple months or so, it may get results. Good luck.
Posted By: marino

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 1:22 pm

Thanks Steve.

I have a 69 bsa thunderbolt. 67 bonneville with Tr6 bead chopper and 71 Harley shovelhead chopper.

I just like old parts.

If you got stuff that you might let go PM a picture or some info.

Thanks
Posted By: Lannis

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 4:28 pm

Originally Posted by quinten
Originally Posted by Lannis


It's like the guy says "Now I will sell you this car, but you must agree to abstain from marital relations with your wife for 2 months after you buy it, or I will NOT sell you the car!". I mean, what do you say to something like that? I'd show him the money, tell him what he seems to want to hear, and disappear down the road, his asking price safely in his hand and any connection with him severed forever. Anything else would be crazy.

And what the hell is wrong with buying old chopper parts and frames and selling them on eBay? I've found old chopper parts in generic swapmeet boxes I've bought, or bought old chopper peanut tanks, old chopper frames with BSA motors and flat rear fenders in them, and I immediately unbolt the good stuff I want, and flog off the chopper tat on eBay, and it always sells. That's what eBay is FOR .... !!!

Lannis


If you put ethical boundaries as a condition of sale .
And the buyer does not honor those conditions..
The ethics are breached .
If no other enforceable provisions are provided for. In the conteact
The contract is enforced ...by the buyer knowing he has lied.


What does "ethical boundaries" mean? I mean, what would be an example of an "ethical boundary" put on a sale of an old motorcycle part?

I would never cheat anyone; never misrepresent what something was, never take a man's money and not give him what he paid for. But what is this "ethical boundary" thing?

Is the seller going to tell me I must convert to Buddhism, or promise to call my Mom every day, or never sell the part on to someone with a criminal record, or promise never to bolt a BSA part onto a Triumph? Seriously? And if I buy the part and don't follow those conditions to the letter, that's an "ethical" breach of some kind?

Lannis
Posted By: Lannis

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 4:31 pm

Originally Posted by Irish Swede
i realize you say you are looking to BUY "chopper junk."

My question is; WHY?

To RE-SELL it on EBAY?

For reasons of safety most of it should go to the scrap yard.


But why can't the buyer just buy what he wants?

Who is the overseer of "Safety" of old motorcycle parts? I know a LOT of people who think that every old motorcycle I own should go to the scrap yard, because they're dangerous to ride, metal fatigue is an issue after 60 years, and they burn fossil fuels. Who gets to decide?

Lannis
Posted By: Tridentman

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 5:33 pm

In the vast majority of cases when you sell something the buyer can do what he likes with what he has bought.
If a guy buys chopper parts for example he can use them in his bike, he can sell them wherever he likes or he can put them in the trash---solely his choice.
In my view the only exceptions to this is when a sale is conditional.
You might sell a bike to a friend for example at a discounted price on the basis that "if the buyer decides to sell it then the seller has first chance to buy it back".
What I find unacceptable is someone questioning a potential purchaser on this site as to his intentions after potentially purchasing parts from a third party.
With respect Mr Irish Swede-- if I can use a Brit expression on a Brit bike forum--none of your bloody business.
Just my two cents worth of course.
Posted By: quinten

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 6:09 pm

Originally Posted by Lannis
Originally Posted by quinten
Originally Posted by Lannis


It's like the guy says "Now I will sell you this car, but you must agree to abstain from marital relations with your wife for 2 months after you buy it, or I will NOT sell you the car!". I mean, what do you say to something like that? I'd show him the money, tell him what he seems to want to hear, and disappear down the road, his asking price safely in his hand and any connection with him severed forever. Anything else would be crazy.

And what the hell is wrong with buying old chopper parts and frames and selling them on eBay? I've found old chopper parts in generic swapmeet boxes I've bought, or bought old chopper peanut tanks, old chopper frames with BSA motors and flat rear fenders in them, and I immediately unbolt the good stuff I want, and flog off the chopper tat on eBay, and it always sells. That's what eBay is FOR .... !!!

Lannis


If you put ethical boundaries as a condition of sale .
And the buyer does not honor those conditions..
The ethics are breached .
If no other enforceable provisions are provided for. In the conteact
The contract is enforced ...by the buyer knowing he has lied.


What does "ethical boundaries" mean? I mean, what would be an example of an "ethical boundary" put on a sale of an old motorcycle part?

I would never cheat anyone; never misrepresent what something was, never take a man's money and not give him what he paid for. But what is this "ethical boundary" thing?

Is the seller going to tell me I must convert to Buddhism, or promise to call my Mom every day, or never sell the part on to someone with a criminal record, or promise never to bolt a BSA part onto a Triumph? Seriously? And if I buy the part and don't follow those conditions to the letter, that's an "ethical" breach of some kind?

Lannis



you can play hard ball and say its only the money . How much do you want .
But if the guy says " i want the part to go to a good home " ... and you lie just to get the part ... whats the deal ?
It depend on the relationships with the buyer and seller ... and the relationship you have with yourself .
When that not-run project ...that your best-buddy gave to you for 20buck ... is resold for 2 grand ... whats the deal ?
Did you intend to decieve , ... and keep the money ... then you have honored your personal intent at the risk of a friendship .
Was the project in you shed for 20 years ... and you both had forgotten about it ... the you will both likely laugh about it over a beer .
Asking up front the buyer intent , as Irish did , is as valid a method ... as a blind sale .
Asking if the Chopper dude is a picker was an astute question.
The chopper dude is free to say none of your business ... they are establishing a Baseline for negotiations .

There are many conditions of sale other than "fee simple" ... where 100 % of the product .. is traded for 100% have the money.

Sold as ...Get it of my property today for 20 dollars .. you pay today but wait 2 months to pick up the item.
The seller has resold or wants a storage fee . ..
What are the legal remedies and ethical considerations . Did you break a leg or chase a redhead.
Did the seller need the space ? Or are they just being a dick ? ... Was the price part of the speedy removal ...
Is There a solution that leave both parties satisfied. .?


Posted By: Lannis

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/12/19 7:00 pm

Well, it's sort of a going-nowhere discussion anyway because of the starting conditions.

Even though I had a disclaimer about "personal friend" transactions at the start, it gets all muddled after a few posts anyhow.

If someone says "I've been tasked with selling Britbodger's old racebike for his estate, but we're asking the buyer that it be kept in "as-raced" condition and not sold out of the Britbike community", then of course you are honor-bound to stick by that, and you wouldn't take the bike unless you were ready to meet those conditions (unless you were released by the people you made the commitment to).

Or if Shaun says "Lannis me olde mucker, I'll sell you my old bike for a reasonable price, but I want to be able to ride it whenever I come over there", then that would another thing that you would do and not violate.

But if some random dude on eBay or Craigslist puts some condition on it like "You can't never sell this to anyone who will chop it" or "I want the right to come to your house anytime and see my old bike forever", I wouldn't get involved anyway, because I'm dealing then with mental illness, not a "sale", and so it would be a moot point for me anyhow!

Lannis
Posted By: Chris Johnson

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/13/19 12:11 am

I’d be happy to sell a molded 51 triumph rigid frame (not raked, bondo is cracking, missing a few tabs and has a “custom” oil tank mount) and a long Durfee girder with wheel and bates headlamp that needs new chrome.

Chris
Posted By: Jon W. Whitley

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/13/19 12:32 am

I have been watching this since it was posted and would offer some advice. Edit your post from Chopper Junk to Chopper Parts Wanted. As soon as I saw Chopper Junk, I wrote you off and double that for being a first time poster here.

FWIW, I am a chopper guy and take this stuff seriously. I am also a lover of factory stock machines.

So, being the new guy, explain yourself...make an introduction.
Posted By: hacksaw

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/13/19 1:56 am

jons right. i like certain choppers myself. i have quite a few parts. i will never use them all. but i would like to know whom i am dealing with when dealing with people on this board.
lets hear your story mr. quinton. maybe i can help you.
Posted By: franko

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/14/19 2:49 am

Marino: I have a Norton Chopper that belonged to a friend. He used Alumalite to do the molding in of parts. She needs motor work and the back wheel off-set corrected, but it is a future project.
So on to your BSAs.
Here is what I think of as a bobber that has a good stance and the rake looks to be thought out. Link
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With the oil tank and battery tray in this set up, I think a A10 or A65 motor will look in place here.
Good luck in your endeavors.
Posted By: franko

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/17/19 1:05 am

Not mine, have just seen it while looking at ads.
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Posted By: Allan Gill

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/17/19 7:03 am

Originally Posted by franko
Marino: I have a Norton Chopper that belonged to a friend. He used Alumalite to do the molding in of parts. She needs motor work and the back wheel off-set corrected, but it is a future project.
So on to your BSAs.
Here is what I think of as a bobber that has a good stance and the rake looks to be thought out. Link
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With the oil tank and battery tray in this set up, I think a A10 or A65 motor will look in place here.
Good luck in your endeavors.


Nothing Chooper about that M20/21 it’s a fairly standard bike, only thing really out of place is the exhaust system.
Posted By: franko

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/17/19 8:36 pm

Hi Allen: I assumed (and we know what that means) the bike was modified because of the Von Dutch and it being striped in the 70s that was written in the ad. With my bi focals I read stripped.
Out of curiosity, would the frame accept a twin without cutting it up? Just thinking out loud because I have too many projects at the moment.
Posted By: hacksaw

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/20/19 6:01 am

lol. oh man! anyway do we have a price range for this olde chopper junk? $50, $500, $5,000? i will be cleaning
out some stuff in a month or so. i will see what i got.
Posted By: franko

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/25/19 10:37 am

Here is another one. Link
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Posted By: marino

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/27/19 1:33 pm

That one has a good stance
Posted By: MarkFrankinstein

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/28/19 8:15 pm

wassell peanut tank -
A65 rigid frame with rake
webco oil tank
conical wheel and fork
jones 19" rim
fork brace

Let me know what you want to offer
Posted By: hacksaw

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/29/19 4:46 am

there is a difference between junk chopper parts and junk choppers.
Posted By: franko

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/30/19 2:56 am

79 Triumph chop/bob
https://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/d/buffalo-creek-79-triumph-bonneville/6899895356.html
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Posted By: hacksaw

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/30/19 4:51 am

nice bike. personally, i contact buyers thru emails or texts. i dont hear well on the phone.
Posted By: marino

Re: Chopper Junk - 05/30/19 1:13 pm

sent ya message Mark
Posted By: franko

Re: Chopper Junk - 06/03/19 2:02 am

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