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News that BSA are set to resume production...... Beijing small arms?

Just typical. They are being recalled for "leaky batteries". But if they stick with tradition, they will issue a TSB and dealer supplied leak sealant.


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Why Beijing?


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Chinese parts have been mentioned.

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I don't think there is a vehicle produced without some Chinese components


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Well to say it will have Chinese content before the design centre is up and running suggests more than some Chinese components and likely to have a shared platform/engine as Norton have on their 650.

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AHH! Chinese parts!

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Mahindra have bought the right to use the BSA name and hope to trade on the nostalgia of that name. Whatever they produce will be somekind of machine that has the letters BSA displayed on it. BSA ceased production nearly 50 years ago sadly they went the same way as a good number of other well known British makes all gone but not forgotten.

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Nothing new
When HRD went bust the remains were bought by Ernie Humphries, owner of OK Supreme. The name and rights were then sold to Philip Vincent and the rest is history


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Originally Posted by Andy Higham
I don't think there is a vehicle produced without some Chinese components


AFAIK the USA built Teslas are all USA made by Tesla themselves apart from the carpet & electric motors .
Don't know about the carpet but apparently the motors are made in the USA or Mexico
The Chinese made Teslas are of course all Chinese which is where he will make all the profit from.


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I haven't found, or installed, any Chinese parts on my Ford van. But, it's 23 years old.


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Does Motorcraft not have factories in China?
They are Ford's electronic/electrical outfit aren't they?

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I have one of those Chinese made small lathes quite good for small objects interesting that the main electronic speed control board is made by KB Electronics.Inc Coral Springs which I believe is in Florida.

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I have just been asked to quote for a control panel. The spec says no Chinese components.
You never know until you buy something where it's made. I had a Siemens logic controller in my hands today, guess where it was made?


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Siemens have a plant making S7-200s in China along with HMI's etc.
Most of the big automation firms have some if not all their stuff made there
or in somewhere in the far east. Schneider, Rockwell, Mitsubishi, GE etc.
Some are clever, Siemens make a version of the S7200 that requires the chinese
software package to be used with it, thus preventing it being sold outside
china, as it's price is significantly lower. I have come across a few instances
of this and similar here.

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From memory the Apple I phone sold in CHina will only work in China.
As for of shoring there are only two reasons for it
1) public greed where who ever sells a product 1¢ cheaper will get the majority of sales
2) corperate greed where who ever can supply any part or assembly the absolute cheapest on the planet will get the order to maximise profit.
If the product has a very short working life, all the better because they can sell you a new one every year .

Better than 90% of all Rolls Royces sold are still know to exist and better than 70% are in running order
Less than 5 % of all Fords made are known to exist and of those less than 20% are in known running order

MR Rolls & MR Royce died in poverty & their company has genuinely been bankrupt 5 times.
The Ford family have only recently fallen off the top 500 wealthiest list .

The cross over point between buying them is around 20 to 25 years and the cost curve of buying the short life cheaper car skyrockets shortly after that
But no one looks at it that way it is all about what I can have NOW


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Originally Posted by NickL
Does Motorcraft not have factories in China?
They are Ford's electronic/electrical outfit aren't they?
I just looked at the one new Motorcraft ignition coil I have. There is no indication of country of origin, no indication on the old coils I have either.
However, the new Motorcraft spark plugs I have say Made in Mexico.
I'm pretty sure that Ford only makes parts in countries in which they have automobile factories, and they seem to be pretty self-contained. I've worked for many suppliers to the auto industry, and none of the parts went to Ford.
I believe I misspoke though. I recently changed the trans fluid. I bought the filter and gasket at Auto Zone. I'm pretty sure that those were made in China.
No word on the Valvoline bottle as to the source of the crude oil.


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Highjack alert!
I figured out how to make and sell the best vehicle ever.
Hire British physicists to create the design. Give that design to German engineers to make it work in the real world. Give those plans to the Japanese to come up with production plans, under strict instructions to not change the German design. Hire Italians to make it pretty. And hire Americans to market it.


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I work on American mowers and machinery, bearings have China on them.


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One advantage (actually the only one!) of advancing age is that it gives perspective. How many of you out there in forum land remember the distain and ridicule that was heaped of Japanese parts in the 1950's and 60's? It was even used as a joke in "Back to the Future" when a component in the flux capacitor failed and Doc scoffingly says "Hah, what do you expect, Made in Japan!"
The problem with capitalism is that there will always be a faster gun making cheap low quality bits. WAY back when it was the US, then it was Japan, now it is China, tomorrow it will be somewhere else.

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"Less than 5 % of all Fords made are known to exist and of those less than 20% are in known running order"
more important that 100% of mine were in running order.

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My Ford was made in Turkey
The engine in my Italian bike was made in Austria
My OK Supreme has a Jap engine


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But aren't OK Supreme and JAP both British?


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The Jap was a pun/joke


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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
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Sorry, i have my own ideas about the how the chinese destroy a lot on this world, as do a lot of other country’s and governents, incl “western” country’s “we” live in... BUT do we have to set this kind tone like this on a non political forum like this?



Regarding BSA brand and Mahindra.... well Triumph did the same, it did not exist anymore... just revived and everybody is buying that...sort off, 80% of the Triumph club members attending on a “new” triumph these day’s (Most of them made in Thailand) MV Agusta... did not exist anymore, but it does now... i saw brough supperiors, indian’s, husqvarna’s, Horex, etc. Etc. On the last Eicma motorcycle show, drawing big attention.... just because Mahindra is An indian company, it is a problem now?

Some (like me) like old stuff, some like new stuff with classic lines, some like both...
I see them as different brands, with different products, different cultures, so on a club level, i think they should not mingle.
But i can have respect for (some) new retro stuff..

Everybody’s taste.... although


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