BritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike Sponsor SteadfastCyclesBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorHepolite PistonsBritBike Sponsor
Upgrade to: Premium Membership | Gold Membership | Life Membership | Vendor Membership | Site Sponsor Membership
Welcome to BritBike Forum!
Member Spotlight
RPM
RPM
Dallas Texas
Posts: 550
Joined: August 2006
New BritBike book out!
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
Search eBay for motorcycle parts in following countries
Australia, Canada, France, Holland, Italy, United Kingdom, USA
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
Britbike forum member
OP Online Content
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
The story of the BSA A65 and A50 motorcycles 1962 -1973
By Peter Crawford
Wideline publishing.

my copy arrived yesterday, first impression, its a real hardback with lots and lots of pictures, many i had not seen before, it even smells good.

2nd impression, flicking through, Wow, its got the good stuff. Interviews with Les Mason , Dave Mason ( ex comp shop), Nigel Rollason ( started as a BSA apprentice) and many more.
Today i spent a couple of hours reading through a few sections.
Well written, beautifully presented, a very interesting technical read.
kind of sad to learn how badly managed BSA was, they had such talent on the shop floor and it got ignored.
One wee tantalizer, stock A65 balance was 70 %, if you want to go racing use 56%. lots more good stuff like this.
What it isnt, a workshop manual or spec list.
otherwise if you have one of these bikes you will learn a lot from this book.
Highly recommended. At £ 25 plus 3 quid odd postage its an absolute steal given the quality.
It came with a thoughtful letter, nice touch, please purchase from the Wideline Publications web site, that way Peter Crawford will get the full whack.

Last edited by gavin eisler; 11/03/20 12:31 pm.

71 Devimead, John Hill, John Holmes A65 750
56 Norbsa 68 Longstroke A65
Cagiva Raptor 650
MZ TS 250
The poster formerly known as Pod
Support Your #1 BritBike Forum!

Check out British motorcycles for sale: British Motorcycles on e-Bay UK, British motorcycles on e-Bay North America
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 311
Likes: 4
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 311
Likes: 4
Many thanks for the hint, Gavin.

Could you help me out with a link to wideline publications' homepage? Apparently, they do not pay Google enough to show up in the search results, or I might plainly be too thick to find it.

Cheers!

Ph.


Best regards
Phil
Duesseldorf/Germany
'62 A 65 Star (disassembled)
'69 A 65 Lightning
'71 A 65 Firebird
'84 Yamaha SR 500
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 615
Likes: 97
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 615
Likes: 97
Happened to be on it.
https://www.wideline.co.uk/


1970 T120R - 'Anton'
1970 Commando - 'Bruno'
1967 T120R - 'Caesar'
1968 Lightning - 'Dora'
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 311
Likes: 4
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 311
Likes: 4
Ha, you seem to be smarter than me, Hugh!

Thanks, mate.

Cheers!

Ph.


Best regards
Phil
Duesseldorf/Germany
'62 A 65 Star (disassembled)
'69 A 65 Lightning
'71 A 65 Firebird
'84 Yamaha SR 500
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 615
Likes: 97
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 615
Likes: 97
Doubt that. :-)

Geez, book shipping costs are getting pretty steep.
Not just over the pond, I just shipped a book U.S. > Canada a month ago and got a little sticker shock.

Cheers


1970 T120R - 'Anton'
1970 Commando - 'Bruno'
1967 T120R - 'Caesar'
1968 Lightning - 'Dora'
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 23
R
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
R
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 23
Been waiting for this!! Thanks for the heads-up Gavin. Just ordered mine now.

Cheers,
Rob


'67 A65 Thunderbolt
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,324
Likes: 21
L
Britbike forum member
Online Content
Britbike forum member
L
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,324
Likes: 21
I may need that. I notice it says Volume One. Guess that means my Hornets aren't in there?

Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 609
Likes: 13
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 609
Likes: 13
Originally Posted by Hugh Jörgen
Doubt that. :-)

Geez, book shipping costs are getting pretty steep.
Not just over the pond, I just shipped a book U.S. > Canada a month ago and got a little sticker shock.

Cheers


You did use "media mail'? Much cheaper


1966 BSA Lightning
(2) 1967 Triumph "Choppa"s
1974 Indian ME125
1960 Harley Servi-Car
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
Britbike forum member
OP Online Content
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
Hornets etc are in it, especially the Spit Mk 2, presumably Vol2 may be more racing orientated , I had a quick Fece book chat , T Price and the krukowskis are in Vol 2. its not East coast West coast orientated if thats what you want , its more nitty gritty.
There is a load of detail on what they found out , what they didnt think they knew and what happened next. The Mk11 should have been a rip roaring best seller ,it was briefly , a Cycle mag pic with a turkey finished that. The curse of the 4 Ca breaker. Just buy it.
A lot of the info has been on here in dribs and drabs, its good to see it all well put together in one well presented book. Without extraneous BS and guess work.

Last edited by gavin eisler; 11/03/20 9:37 pm.

71 Devimead, John Hill, John Holmes A65 750
56 Norbsa 68 Longstroke A65
Cagiva Raptor 650
MZ TS 250
The poster formerly known as Pod
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 899
Likes: 13
Sponsor
Offline
Sponsor
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 899
Likes: 13
Originally Posted by Nick H
Originally Posted by Hugh Jörgen
Doubt that. :-)

Geez, book shipping costs are getting pretty steep.
Not just over the pond, I just shipped a book U.S. > Canada a month ago and got a little sticker shock.

Cheers


You did use "media mail'? Much cheaper


No such thing as Media Mail to points outside the USA.


check out: www.bsaunitsingles.com
2500 BSA part numbers with inventory in stock just for the unit singles!
1 member likes this: Nick H
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,535
Likes: 80
S
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
S
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,535
Likes: 80
Originally Posted by gavin eisler
It came with a thoughtful letter, nice touch, please purchase from the Wideline Publications web site, that way Peter Crawford will get the full whack.
I'd love to buy it direct if there was a delivery option apart from "hand delivery on a silver platter" frown
$A48 shipping is slightly more than the cost of the book, so that's probably around 25 quid as well. I thought postage on books was in the 5 to 10 quid range.

I'd like the author to get his fair share, but not for Royal Mail or Parcel Farce to get more than the author, publisher and printer combined.

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
Britbike forum member
OP Online Content
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
It used to be " printed matter overseas" was the cheap deal , it works both ways , i got humped for a small archery book book by jake kaminski in the us , no bigger than a commando comic book if you remember them, cost over 35 £ to get it across the pond.
Its a good book . if you are this side of the pond , its a steal, for you others , buckle up. it has weight to it, 1.2 Kg s fresh off the scale.

Last edited by gavin eisler; 11/03/20 10:51 pm.

71 Devimead, John Hill, John Holmes A65 750
56 Norbsa 68 Longstroke A65
Cagiva Raptor 650
MZ TS 250
The poster formerly known as Pod
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 45
Likes: 3
S
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
S
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 45
Likes: 3
I just ordered a copy and the shipping to sunny Texas was more than the cost of the book. I got a follow up email from the publisher interested to know how someone in Texas was aware of the books publication, as it hadn't (yet) appeared in any of the Bike magazines. I polished Gavin's halo a little. The publisher thinks the next volume is spring/summer and I offered to place an advance order, but that wasn't necessary.

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 311
Likes: 4
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 311
Likes: 4
Hi guys,

the book arrived quite quickly.

I have had a glance but not read through, yet. I have to state I like it. It is well written, the print and quality of the book is good.

So good value for the money even taking the significant shipping cost into account.
Let's face it, Pete should not be held responsible for the shipping cost anyhow.

I am happy to have acquired it.

Thanks again for the hint, Gavin.

Cheers!

Ph.


Best regards
Phil
Duesseldorf/Germany
'62 A 65 Star (disassembled)
'69 A 65 Lightning
'71 A 65 Firebird
'84 Yamaha SR 500
1 member likes this: gavin eisler
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,638
Likes: 38
B
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
B
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,638
Likes: 38
This is where being in a club works
Back in the 80's we ordered a lot of BSa books direct from the publisher
The cost of posting one book them was about 1/2 the cost of sending a box of 20.
Will chase up the publisher re bulk order not OZ.
WHta I found amazing is the publisers nor the sales agent thought to get in contact with their target audience.
Like it is not hard to find the 18 international BSA clubs is it.
Even Google can find them.

And what the hell is going on with Capcha ?
It throws up the photos but the "verify " button is inactive if you use the quick reply window.
Been trying to post some answers to this post for near a week

Last edited by BSA_WM20; 11/16/20 11:51 am.

Bike Beesa
Trevor
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 7,318
Likes: 59
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 7,318
Likes: 59
Ordered my copy last week following the epserts of the book posted on Facebook. There was enough good information on one double page to cause me to open my wallet on printed media... That should say something. (Not that I don't like books, I just seldom get chance to sit down and read one)


Now let’s all have a beer beerchug

68’ A65 Lightning “clubman”
71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
68’ D14 trials (undergoing transformation)

Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 615
Likes: 97
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 615
Likes: 97
Peter asked if I would let him know when it arrived to get an idea of the various delivery times. (UK to FL, U.S.A. in my case).
It may be of some use if folks drop him a line with the ordered/delivered lag.
editor AT wideline dot co dot uk

Cheers


1970 T120R - 'Anton'
1970 Commando - 'Bruno'
1967 T120R - 'Caesar'
1968 Lightning - 'Dora'
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
Britbike forum member
OP Online Content
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
I have pored/ poured? over the book, there are some true Gems in it. Anyone trying to make dry frames wheels line up is in for a surprise, likewise the dimensions for A70 crankshafts come with 2 possibilities as far as stroke goes. Some strange stuff went on.
perhaps the most interesting page for me is the detail of the Mk iv Spit cylinder head, tuners will find this useful.
i learned a lot.


71 Devimead, John Hill, John Holmes A65 750
56 Norbsa 68 Longstroke A65
Cagiva Raptor 650
MZ TS 250
The poster formerly known as Pod
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 761
Likes: 8
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 761
Likes: 8
Just received my copy and highly recommend it. Great info through out. Fascinating how Turner snubbed the A50/A65 engine development In favor of the Triumph Unit. I can understand his biases, if only he/they would have addressed the bottom end problem a whole new history would be written... The Unit BSA had the superior cylinder head and cooling especially as Triumph push rod tubes got in the way.
Judging from the title I suspect volume two on racing is in the works.
Beautifully done well worth the price....

Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,087
Likes: 63
N
Britbike forum member
Online Content
Britbike forum member
N
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,087
Likes: 63
It's on my xmas present list along with the 1930 lemans Bentley,
wonder which one i'll get?????

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 845
Likes: 4
Life member
Offline
Life member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 845
Likes: 4
I believe one is winging it's way to Oz for my Xmas present except that's meant to be secret. Apparently another volume following next year, so maybe that covers Hornets etc.?

Cheers
Ray


BSA 1969 A65F
BSA 1966 A65H
Triumph 1968 T120
Kawasaki A1R
& too many projects!
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
Britbike forum member
OP Online Content
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,549
Likes: 83
between the book and the Bentley there are a few options, I would settle for a low mileage Daihatsu Charade, 16 valve DOHC 15 hunner , great heater good brake and electric windees, cheaper than a bentley. seriously, if you have an A65 this is gold dust.
Once its out of print ,good luck


71 Devimead, John Hill, John Holmes A65 750
56 Norbsa 68 Longstroke A65
Cagiva Raptor 650
MZ TS 250
The poster formerly known as Pod
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,659
Likes: 3
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,659
Likes: 3
Gav, Nick doesn't need a heater? Queensland he'd die frown He needs air con, and probably not even brakes if he's not in the city. I think Matchbox used to do a Bentley.

I wrote to the BSA owners club about them getting a box of 10 with the price almost halved here for people in OZ. No reply yet. I ordered one a while back but the customs guys are probably still reading it.

I asked them at Ulysses as well.

From what Peter said he was doing enthusiast's books, not superficial like other stuff. It's fascinating what people were dealing with.

Last edited by Mark Parker; 11/17/20 3:38 am.

mark
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,087
Likes: 63
N
Britbike forum member
Online Content
Britbike forum member
N
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,087
Likes: 63
Yes, the matchbox version is probably the nearest i'd get to owning one..................
My father worked on a few speed 6's etc and reckoned the two foot operated
brake pedal was the thing, they had terrible brakes and changing gear when
they were cold was an art.

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,659
Likes: 3
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,659
Likes: 3
My book arrived today. Very nice indeed. lots of reading. Lots of stuff visible that is a bit silly from management.

I would love a Bandit/Fury frame. Firebird motor would be great in one of those with the Thunderbolt head. Imagine that with triple discs and nice wheels. A 650 like that would have plenty of nice power.


mark
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Allan G, Jon W. Whitley 

Link Copied to Clipboard
BritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike Sponsor
Upgrade to: Premium Membership | Gold Membership | Life Membership | Vendor Membership | Site Sponsor Membership
Home | Sponsors, Newsletter | Regalia | Calendar | Bike Project | BritBike Museum | Spiders Cartoons, | DVD- Manuals & Parts books









Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5