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A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
#825398 10/02/20 8:00 am
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Hi all,

Can anyone explain the part numbers for the A65 Fork Sleeves for the 1968 - 1970 models.

In the 1968 BSA parts book they are listed as 97-2543 & 97-2544 for the Firebird only. There is also 97-2510 & 97-2512 for the Lightning, Spitfire, Thunderbolt and Royal Star.

In the 1969 and 1970 BSA parts books they only list 97-2510 & 97-2512 for the Lightning, Thunderbolt, Royal Star and Firebird?

What is the difference between the two sets of sleeves?

My bike is a 1966 model and has two different types of sleeve on either side. One is the earlier type and the other is the later type which has a more pronounced 90 degree lip on the bottom end, eliminating the need for the top gaiter strap.

I have attached a photo of mine to show this difference.

Burton Bike Bits have just notified me that they have the 97-2543 & 97-2544 back in stock. Are they the correct chrome items like the one on the right of my photo?

Thanks, Kev E

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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Left type for the gaiters that’s take the ties, right type for the gaiters with the thick top and bottom and has the cut in them, the lip on that type is used more for holding the gaiter up.

Hope that makes sense.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Hi Allan, yes it makes sense but I was already aware of what the difference was between the two types and why.

My bike has the early type on one fork leg and the later type on the other. It's not noticeable when you have the gaiters strapped on but I wanted to make them both the same and I want the later ones because I prefer the 'cleaner' look of the gaiters without the straps.

My question was really about the two different sets of part numbers listed in the 1968 BSA A65 parts books. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

Why does the 1968 parts book list the 97-2543 & 97-2544 for the Firebird only and the 97-2510 & 97-2512 for all the other models? But in the 1969 and 1970 parts books there is no mention of the 97-2543 & 97-2544 numbers and instead all the models have the fork sleeves with the part numbers 97-2510 & 97-2512?

I thought the difference may be the finish but surely there are plenty of 69 and 70 models with both chrome and painted black fork sleeves? So why only the one option in the later parts books?

Thanks,

Kev E

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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
Kevin E #825424 10/02/20 3:30 pm
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Doesn't the 69 Firebird have the 5 3/4" headlight and smaller bucket with shorter projection on the ears or different hole size for the headlamp bucket bolts.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19679/lot/256/?category=list

Not sure about the 70 Firebird.

Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
Kevin E #825428 10/02/20 4:05 pm
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In '68 it's all about the finish. Black and chrome. The Spares manual has typos in it. Spitfire and Firebird got the chrome fork sleeves, and Royal Star, Thunderbolt, and Lightning got the black ones.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Right, the FBs had a smaller headlight, which would explain the difference in fork shrouds vs Lightning, Tbolt, etc.

Also, Kevin, are you sure that the original shrouds are chrome for your model (which is, what)?

Looks like Lightning & Tbolt shrouds were black and Spitfire shrouds were chrome.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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The sleeves are the same size regardless of the headlight size. Firebird has a smaller headlight than the Spitfire, but use the same sleeves.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Originally Posted by Gary E
The sleeves are the same size regardless of the headlight size. Firebird has a smaller headlight than the Spitfire, but use the same sleeves.

Gary, how can that be? Did they use spacers?


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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This is the most straight-on photo I could find of a '68 FB. I see no spacer between the fork shroud and headlight.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/...ZtJ3qR9G2BYeA0wOAaeYNg/DSC_0228+copy.jpg

Or should I say, no LARGE spacer - even the Lightning with 7" headlight has a 1/2"-3/4" spacer, just to allow the headlight to clear the curvature of the shroud.


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Its kinda obvious in the 68 parts book, FS chrome sleeves, the rest black, its even illustrated, FS got the wee headlamp, the same spacer , 68 -5108 is listed for all models, looks like the chrome FS sleeves are built up at the lamp mount to suit the smaller lamp, not slotted like the other models.


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All of the models used the spacers (no longer a "distance piece"). Just tweek the headlight arms of the sleeves in a little for the Firebird. Another manual typo for the Firebird showing no spacers.

Also that link lists the '68 Firebird as a '69.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Originally Posted by gavin eisler
...looks like the chrome FS sleeves are built up at the lamp mount to suit the smaller lamp, not slotted like the other models.

Ok then, that would explain the difference.


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Yes. And they all have the slotted holes for headlight adjustment, even the Firebirds.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Originally Posted by Mark Z
Right, the FBs had a smaller headlight, which would explain the difference in fork shrouds vs Lightning, Tbolt, etc.

Also, Kevin, are you sure that the original shrouds are chrome for your model (which is, what)?

Looks like Lightning & Tbolt shrouds were black and Spitfire shrouds were chrome.

Hi Mark,

Mine is a 1966 A65 Lightning and not much on it is original. Ever since I did my first rebuild back in the late 80’s originality has not been in my mind. I’ve made many modifications to the bike, which has taken it well away from being original. Some things are pretty run of the mill, like electronic ignition. Some things have been done to improve reliability and to improve areas like the electrical system. Some have been done purely as a personal choice and are only aesthetic. I like chrome and my bike has an abundance of it, along with a lot of polished stainless steel, which looks like chrome. The bike even won a best chrome cup at a show back in the 90’s.

Thanks for all the input everyone. It’s great to learn about all this stuff and it’s much appreciated.

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>>>...The bike even won a best chrome cup at a show back in the 90’s....<<<

With stainless steel.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Kevin, I'm with you on the "doesn't have to be original" principle (obviously, since my one-and-only is a '65-'66-'67-'70 A65 bitsa with a '71 oil pump, Mikuni carbs, Tympanium rec/reg, Boyer ignition, single dual-lead coil, sealed beam headlamp, all modern switches and wiring, and, the most recent addition, a GPS speedometer).

I have a mantle full of trophies from my '67 Lightning, which was all original except for chromed engine covers. Now the trophies are merely dust-collectors, while my bitsa gets me where I want to go reliably. I do like to keep things looking "factory" as much as possible though, and I LOVE stainless steel.


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Originally Posted by Gary E
>>>...The bike even won a best chrome cup at a show back in the 90’s....<<<

With stainless steel.

Chrome headlight shell, chrome fork sleeves, chrome & flamboyant red petrol tank, chrome rear brake plate, chrome chain guard, chrome wheel rims. Should I have refused the trophy because all the other shiny bits were stainless?

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Originally Posted by Kevin E
Originally Posted by Gary E
>>>...The bike even won a best chrome cup at a show back in the 90’s....<<<

With stainless steel.

Chrome headlight shell, chrome fork sleeves, chrome & flamboyant red petrol tank, chrome rear brake plate, chrome chain guard, chrome wheel rims. Should I have refused the trophy because all the other shiny bits were stainless?
Must be a touchy subject.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Might be best leaving the talk of trophies for another/new topic.


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Re: A65 Fork Sleeve / Headlamp Bracket
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Originally Posted by Gary E
[quote=Kevin E][quote=Gary E]>>>...The bike even won a best chrome cup at a show back in the 90’s....<<<

Must be a touchy subject.

Not at all, my reply was very much tongue in cheek and I did choose a winking 😉 emoji at the end of the post but for some reason it wasn’t there.

Please don’t make the assumption that I place any major importance on the fact that the bike won a trophy. It was nice but that’s all.

I agree Allan G, and I only mentioned the trophy in context with subject of chrome that was being discussed.

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Originally Posted by Kevin E
I agree Allan G, and I only mentioned the trophy in context with subject of chrome that was being discussed.

You can mention trophies as much as you like but I was just aiming to steer it back to topic before it becomes political, sadly some topics everyone has an opinion on.


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Originally Posted by kevin
lol

thats why we're here, allan

Not quite what I meant Kev, but never mind. Moving swiftly on....


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Originally Posted by Allan G
Originally Posted by kevin
lol

thats why we're here, allan

Not quite what I meant Kev, but never mind. Moving swiftly on....

And I for one would like to hear an acknowledgment that your query was resolved Kevin, if indeed it was.


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Hi Mark,

Yes I think it is resolved and I have now ordered a pair of the 97-2543 & 97-2544 chrome sleeves from Burton Bike Bits. Will see how they are next week when they arrive.

Cheers,

Kev E


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