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Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
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Yes, folks I'm still around. To be honest I've been a tad busy with my work as a university Programme Director and with my own studies etc as well as life in general. Grandad's putting away of his motorcycle boots sort of kicked me back into communicating here. I've been quietly lurking till now.
In the real world I have been putting the miles under a number of motorbikes from around the world and I still have the corpse of BSA A50 strewn around my shed, frame, engine bits etc, left over from the last one I built. More recently I've put together something that is very international, Graham knows what this is so he'e not allowed a say till one of our American cousins can work out what it is.

So in terms of the varying nations the motorcycle is -

British
Design
Frame
Indicators
Footrests

Italian
Fuel tank
Brakes
Front forks
Engine (though Japanese design)

Japanese
Wheels
Front light
Speedometer
Switch gear

American
Rear light

German
Overall bolting together of bits
Seat
Rear shock
Wiring loom

So what is it?


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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
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Karl, Did it come this way from a factory or is this something you built?

It sounds a lot like my Project 39-1/2 based on a Wards Mojave. British design frame made in Italy to be sold in America, Suspension from an Italian bike made in Germany, Russian headlight copied from German design


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KarlB #825243 09/30/20 10:59 am
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Al, it came from the factory this way.


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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
KarlB #825255 09/30/20 3:58 pm
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Italian engine, Japanese design sounds like a Benelli! And the bikes that Montgomery Ward's used to sell in their department stores (as mentioned by Al) were Benellis, so that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
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Nope, not a Benelli Lannis...๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ

Next contestant...๐Ÿ˜„


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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
KarlB #825259 09/30/20 5:45 pm
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Originally Posted by KarlB
Nope, not a Benelli Lannis...๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ

Next contestant...๐Ÿ˜„

Wait, I get three guesses if this is a proper Riddle Game.

Rickman Ducati single?

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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
KarlB #825265 09/30/20 6:42 pm
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Nope again, not Ducati single, though I did I have one of them, many, many moons ago.

Next! ๐Ÿ˜Š


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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
KarlB #825272 09/30/20 7:35 pm
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The things that have me flummoxed are the British frame and German final assembly, and it "came from the factory that way".

I should know this. CCM frame? Rickman frame? Norton-Villiers and Beezumph didn't put Italian engines in their frames, and what bike was assembled in Germany?

Well, there's a lot of smart guys on here, someone will be along shortly .... !

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Nope, try again. ๐Ÿ˜Š


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Lannis #825276 09/30/20 7:47 pm
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Lannis, you are really going to kick yourself for not getting this and if that's not a huge clue then I don't know what is!๐Ÿ˜„


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Hesketh??


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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
KarlB #825279 09/30/20 8:25 pm
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Nope, a clue which Japanese motorcycle company has engines built in Italy?
BTW the factory there has built over 10 million engines.


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Re: Back in the saddle, well online saddle.
KarlB #825281 09/30/20 8:35 pm
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If Karl's scored a Hesketh he's not only got non-academic piles of money but has an entire lifetime of motorcycle wrenching in front of him!

Italian engine of Japanese design. The only one I know of is the Benelli Four and its derivatives, which are copies of the Honda CB-500 Four.

Can't be a Guzzi, that's all Italian. So is the Laverda, no Japanese influence there. Can't be a Ducati, that's all Italian too, as are Garelli and Morbidelli and Aermacchi and Parilla and every other Italian I ever heard of. There's Minarelli, too, but why would the Japanese use an Italian bike engine?

Maybe my subconscious will work on it and I'll wake up in the middle of the night kicking myself ... Something I've owned? Something you've owned and I've known about? All I remember at the moment are your BSA and your MZs, and they don't fit the criteria. Something we saw in a museum in the UK or the IOM?

Nope, I'm frazzled. Thirty minutes of deep memory retrieval is all my old neurons can handle .... !!

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KarlB #825282 09/30/20 8:36 pm
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Nope not a Kawasaki either. ๐Ÿ™‚


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KarlB #825285 09/30/20 8:51 pm
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Lannis you were so close, don't give up on those neurons just yet.
It is indeed an MZ or to be more exact an MuZ, same company different owners, but a four stroke.
A 1998 MZ Skorpion Tour, designed by British vehicle designer Seymour Powell originally with an aircraft styled bonded tubular frame but in production these were welded and pinned. The engine is a 660cc five valve single from Yamaha, built in Italy, the same engines you get in snow mobiles so plenty of spares. The tank is made from PA-6 nylon famous for sucking out the water from petrol and expanding so they get stuck on the frame and all the paint falls off. Triumph and Ducati had same problems in late 90s with the same material. Mine has been bonded so no problems. Indicators are off a 90s Triumph as are the pegs. Rear light weirdly comes from that Harley single that was recalled. Headlight off of a Kawasaki so real parts bin special spannered together in Germany till they went bust in I think 2006. It was originally designed to use a Rotax engine but BMW stopped that as they wanted the market for their Rotax engined single.

https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/first-impression-muz-skorpion-tour-18866.html

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Engine built by Piaggio?


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KarlB #825288 09/30/20 9:03 pm
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Mike I think it was Motori Minarelli in Italy that put together the Yamaha engines for MZ from bits supplied from Japan originally though now they make all the engine parts in Italy I believe.


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[quote=Lannis]If Karl's scored a Hesketh he's not only got non-academic piles of money but has an entire lifetime of motorcycle wrenching in front of him!

It was just a stab in the dark, and besides the first Bloor Triumphs it was the only parts bin Brit bike I could think of. I guess it was thinking it was Brit that threw me off.


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KarlB #825304 10/01/20 12:08 am
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Well, I looked up the modern "Motori Minarelli" and I had no idea that they were such a big prolific outfit, supplying motorcycle and motorsports engines to the world.

An MuZ Skorpion would be a neat bike to have. I've seen a few of them around, but they're getting thin on the ground ....

Lannis


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Welcome Back Karl!!!! Cant wait to see you both in person again...


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KarlB #825321 10/01/20 10:39 am
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Karl lad, is it a Rokon...? From the last time I saw you I'd say you'd need that two wheel drive, being a BIG lad now like... shocked

Just sayin'


After the plague we'll have to meet up again lad, you can learn me stuff again... wink


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KarlB #825325 10/01/20 12:38 pm
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Nah, Shaun, tis an MZ, always wanted one of their 660 four strokes and Mr Miles of RealClassic fame had one he didn't want anymore due to his lifestyle changes, he was going to race it but now he's back into really old veteran stuff.
I was mooching about looking for another project and couldn't decide whether to get another Brit single, an Italian on, a Japanese one, a German one etc and he piped up and says 'I've got the perfect bike' it's put together in Germany, British design, Japanese engine built in Italy, Italian suspension etc. And so the great cosmic conveyor belt creaked into action. It needed a fair bit of fettling but is now a cracker once I'd sorted out the daft carburetors. It has a little slide carb linked to a big CV carb and they'd set the slide carb up to run weak to pass emissions tests at low speeds and the the big CV to run rich to make up for it at higher revs. Of course that made the bike crap at the point were the two carbs crossed over in revs, very lumpy and not happy below 3500rpm. So with advice from the chaps from the MZRC I changed the jets to richen the mix for the slide and slightly lean it out on the CV and Bob's your auntie it will pull nice and clean now. Not a long stroke thumper like my old AJS but very short stroke, so you have to ride it a bit like a two stroke in terms of revs but it's a cracking bike to ride.

I was speaking with Graham and Ed at our recent MZRC camp in Preston (Half Moon and Seven Stars) about how we really need to get the old chaps all rounded up again for a camp after all this is done.

There's actually a bit less of me know as I've started to fight the inner Buddha...๐Ÿ˜‚


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KarlB #825545 10/03/20 7:40 pm
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I guess I should add a photo of the MZ Skorpion Tour in all it's glory... laughing

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