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The two pictures are taken 71 years apart - same house, same lady, same bike.
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Can you ask the lady ?

I reckon that would (not !) be some year/model of a DKW - very similar to what the BSA Bantam, Suzuki and HD Hummer as given as 'reparations' after the war. I'd only be guessing as to the ladies name, but she looks to be a german/euro ? lass - and a looker in her yoof ...

Similar model, not quite the same though. Exhaust wrong side, cylinder not upright enough.
There were a lot of very similar style of tiddlers back then, wouldn't surprise me if it was some unheard of marque
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A Csepel, Hungary ? Nope, not really the same at all. Getting warmer though ?
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A (slightly later) model of Jawa 125.
Getting warmer with other features, but the exhaust is the wrong side ...
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Hmmm ? Unless it has twin exhausts.
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I should have known from the American Wolfhound !

That numberplate doesn't look too american though .?

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you can see the second fishtail-pipe if you look through the back spokes .
Czechoslovakian made ...
Probably CZ 125 B ... 4 hp
post war ? 48 to 50 ?
many were exported .
some were branded and sold in the states by indian motorcycles ,

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Hmmm $275 v's $381

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Ironic, Indian didn't change anything on the bike, just called it Indian.


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I can't talk to the lady; the picture popped up on Facebook with no source info.

The fuel tank logo says "Jawa" (or CZ? Probably not Indian, per the Euro license tag) - sorry, not British.


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Small 2 stroke CZ 125 from Czechoslovakia.

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And near all 125cc 2-stroke designs from that era were based on the design of the DKW that were handed out as 'reparations' after WW2.
So the BSA Bantam was about the same thing, and something like about 20 manufacturers made rather similar tiddlers.
Inc even HD and Yamaha, as trivia ...

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Yes Rohan, I was aware that the Bantam was based on a DKW. As far as trivia goes, any time... I loved the Indian brochure:

"Perhaps you have wanted the comfort, safety, and smart style of a big machine... but felt you couldn't afford them. Now you can!"


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Just thought I'd mention it to give a Britbike context.

Thats a marvellous quote, isn't it.
Of course, a lot of folks didn't really need a larger bike, if commuting to work was all that was required.

Which is why Villiers had made their 2 millionth engine by the mid 1950s.
And JAP also had made a million in a similar timeframe
- a lot of their production was smaller cc, although I'm not sure if they made anything below 175 cc ?

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Originally Posted by Rohan
Which is why Villiers had made their 2 millionth engine by the mid 1950s.
And JAP also had made a million in a similar timeframe
- a lot of their production was smaller cc, although I'm not sure if they made anything below 175 cc ?
Is that just motorcycle/cyclecar engines?

Both JAP and Villainous made a lot of stationary engines as well. So did BSA for that matter, and we had some of each on the farm.

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Originally Posted by Shane in Oz
Is that just motorcycle/cyclecar engines?.

That is a good question.
On reflection, I'd imagine anything that moved/spun was probably counted as an engine.

Villiers set up a fully autonomous factory in Australia to manufacture engines - at Ballarat in the mid 1950s.
We had a lawnmower with a Villiers engine that was probably made there. I never thought to check the labels.
I wasn't aware of this until quite recently.

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Everything looks about the same in the two photos, except the dog is gone, the lady is older, and the TREE is a whole lot bigger!

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Everything looks about the same in the two photos, except the dog is gone, the lady is older, and the TREE is a whole lot bigger!


Agreed. This has got to be one of the best, if not the best, before and after/time lapse photo's I have ever seen !!


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