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A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
#823475 09/12/20 2:00 pm
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Although the original herrinbone oil lines from 1970 look good outside, there is no way I will use them!

I would love to find herringbone, but haven't found all three sizes I need, and it's too darn expensive. Any suggestions? My 1970 uses 3/8, 5/16 and 1/4.

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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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Get hold of the black cloth covered rubber hose used by VW, Looks very close to Herringbone, in fact better than the current fresh production (cos no one knows how to set up the machine anymore).

https://www.customandcommercial.com...her_to_air_cleaner_hose_12mm_68-74_6305/

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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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Those lines don't have pressure on them, so all you have to worry about is compatibility with 220 degF oil ....

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I often wonder why BSA and other makers used herringbone pipes, presumably it was an attempt to replicate the look of braided hoses but at a far cheaper price.

What you could perhaps try is black braided stainless hose which uses a black nylon outer and a nitrile inner suitable for oil and fuel, see This Link for example which presumably is available worldwide.

The outer seems to replicate the look of herringbone pipe and its available in a variety of sizes. I believe the dash sizes you require are 3/16 = dash - 03, 1/4 = dash - 04, 5/16 = dash -05 and 3/8 = dash -06.


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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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Napa auto parts carries a braided line that looks good enough and suits my purpose.


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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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Originally Posted by gunner
I often wonder why BSA and other makers used herringbone pipes, presumably it was an attempt to replicate the look of braided hoses but at a far cheaper price.

What you could perhaps try is black braided stainless hose which uses a black nylon outer and a nitrile inner suitable for oil and fuel, see This Link for example which presumably is available worldwide.

The outer seems to replicate the look of herringbone pipe and its available in a variety of sizes. I believe the dash sizes you require are 3/16 = dash - 03, 1/4 = dash - 04, 5/16 = dash -05 and 3/8 = dash -06.

I have the stainless pipe on mine at the moment. Soley for the reason that I have the oil cooler and the pipes run up the front of the frame, the hope is to provide some stone protection to the pipe. However... the stainless weave can be crushed easily, it doesn’t form back to its original shape easily though so it could potentially block the supply feed.


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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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[Linked Image]Here is pic of Napa oil.line.


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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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Thanks all. My local NAPA it is. I'm guessing three feet for the rocker box 1/4" line, and 2 feet each for the feed and return 3/8 and 5/16 will be more than enough to take care of it.


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I purchased suitable oil hose from my local NAPA for the 3/8 and 5/16 lines, but no luck on the 3/16 hose. It seems here in the U.S. at least oil rated 3/16 hose is a bust. I can get fuel hose, which I guess will have to suffice. Easy enough to monitor for functionality.


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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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I have always gotten oil line at a local auto parts store for the price point and convenience

We just got some Herringbone oil line in-stock, both 5/16" and 3/8" on the site

Although not cheap, sure does last a long time

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Ive always just used the line Beach put up the photo of .....maybee a different manufacturer but same stuff .........it (the one i get) is actual sold as petrol line . You buy it by the meter and its good stuff.


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Hmm, I was able to get 3/16" double-wall hose at MY NAPA store. I keep a length of that, 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" on hand and use it for everything. I also have a drawer full of worm-screw mini clamps. Not terribly attractive but cheap and effective. Some here have said that alcohol-laden fuel erodes the inside of the hose; I haven't seen any evidence of that on my bikes, but perhaps it's because I change the fuel hose periodically.

Chief, are you from Goshen, NY? Did I already ask you?

If so, I was just down your way last weekend, for vintage flattrack races in Cuddeback. Great track, beautiful surroundings, and a lot of participation. There were no less than SEVEN side-valve, tank-shift Harleys and Indians, and lots of Triumph twins. No A65s, I'm sorry to say, just one B44.


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Hmm, I was able to get 3/16" double-wall hose at MY NAPA store.

Yeah, NAPA had 3/16 fuel line but not oil. I did get oil rated 3/8 and 5/16 from them. Decided to just use fuel rated reinforced rubber for the rocker box line.


Chief, are you from Goshen, NY? Did I already ask you?

I think you did, and no, Goshen CT. A tiny town without any traffic lights of any sort. Really, a perfect place AFAIC!


If so, I was just down your way last weekend, for vintage flattrack races in Cuddeback. Great track, beautiful surroundings, and a lot of participation. There were no less than SEVEN side-valve, tank-shift Harleys and Indians, and lots of Triumph twins. No A65s, I'm sorry to say, just one B44.

Would have enjoyed that! I have a '29 Indian Scout w Bonneville cams and lifters, Sport Scout cylinders, manifold and carb, stroked with HD flywheels. My very favorite ride.


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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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Sorry, I guess I did ask (another "senior moment")...

I would have thought that "fuel rated" is a more stringent requirement than "oil rated". I'm pretty sure that what I use is fuel hose, hasn't given me any problems as far as I know.

A modified '29 Scout? We should be asking YOU questions!


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Re: A65 New Oil Lines- What to Use?
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Fuel hose, oil hose, outside of fuel injection hose I can't fathom what would be the difference. Every oil line I've ever bought has been sold as fuel line.
One caveat: I bought some very pretty line, with wire and cloth covering. It looked very nice, but the wire reinforcement did not compress well with the hose clamps. The stuff leaked at the fittings.


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Sorry, I guess I did ask (another "senior moment")...

Ha! I have those ALL the time!


I would have thought that "fuel rated" is a more stringent requirement than "oil rated". I'm pretty sure that what I use is fuel hose, hasn't given me any problems as far as I know.

IDK if there is a mil spec or other standard, but I think hot oil might affect the hose differently than cold fuel? I know the other lines were "rated" as transmission oil cooler suitable.

A modified '29 Scout? We should be asking YOU questions.

I'm pretty comfortable with the "agricultural" tech of the Indian, and grew up with them- My first motorcycle experience 45 years ago was on an Indian Scout. Although I can't post a pic here, you could see my '29 in the April 2004 American Iron magazine. I think most BSA riders would appreciate how light and lithe an Indian Scout is!


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