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Security for motorcycles with no keys
#823421 09/11/20 11:28 pm
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Hi all,

What are the options for security on a motorcycle with no ignition key (m21)? I'm talking mainly anti start, not so much anti theft (chain or cable lock covers that).

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Re: Security for motorcycles with no keys
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A sturdy parrot would do, or a large host of biting flies, maybe snakes for WA. JU JU can help protect, touch wood.

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A Feridax locking throttle would be the easiest to carry (because it's attached to the bike) and least obtrusive. They come up on eBay reasonably often. There also are modern units that clamp over the grip and interfere with the brake to keep them from turning.

I have a Feridax on my BSA C15S in Ireland (it has an ET ignition). Someone who knew a little about what they were doing could start and operate the bike by pulling on the outer cable. Luckily, no one in Ireland has been clever enough to figure that out...

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Originally Posted by Magnetoman
Luckily, no one LARCENOUS in Ireland has been clever enough to figure that out...

Fixed this for you....

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Re: Security for motorcycles with no keys
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No help for you but the 2 standard A 10 ploys were
Swapping the plug leads over
A hidden kill switch usually behind the tool box

The latter will work for you if you fit a latter magneto end cap with a kill wire on it

There is also a locking petrol tap but I think it is metric

You could put a dummy HT lead under the tank and slip it on the spark plug
Then put a bolt protruding from the underside of the saddle and slip the real HT lead on to that


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No worries, usually the only person who can start these old bikes is the owner. They all have unique starting rituals. laugh


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Take the HT lead with you
or
fit a high compression piston and raise the carb slide half inch so if someone does try to start it’ll kick them back and over the bars.


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All defeated by the normal method of 3 lifting the bike up into the back of a van.

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True, but OP did say that he was concerned with "anti start, not so much anti theft."

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Leave the ignition on full advance!
Only those knowledgeable know what the lever is for and they (usually) would not interfere with another's bike

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Hand grenade with pin attached to throttle slide/cable via a chord then placed under the seat, normally does the trick.

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Luke,
WD models had a HT lead immobiliser. here's a link to a conversation on the WD bike forum.

http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/sta...;frmid=16&msgid=1424145&cmd=show

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I have no keys. If they can figure it out then I probably know them.

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The power switch on my A65 is a toggle switch. I never take it anywhere that I would have to leave it unsupervised. One time it broke down on the road and I had to leave it to go get my truck, and that time I took both HT leads with me.


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Re: Security for motorcycles with no keys
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Get a B50. Cannot be started by a novice.

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That applies to a B44 Victor as well.

Although it's fun to see the guy almost killing himself trying.

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Just remove the kick start, 99% of blokes don't know how to bump start a bike anymore.

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Cars are usually started in some way to be stolen.
Bikes are usually just wheeled or lifted into a trailer or van.

I’ve lost 2 cars and 2 bikes ~40 years.

Both cars easily nicked old Fords, the 2nd one I kept getting parking tickets for years till the authorities accepted I didn’t own the bloody thing any more.

Both bikes were just lifted one way or another. My 1st triton was never found (1978), the little Suzuki 200 (1991) was found in the Thames (it did work after a little draining).

I suppose the moral of my story is that a bike can only be protected by a strong chain to a post, and even that is no guarantee of course.
Dis-abling the ignition is only a minor impediment to a thief.
It is worth doing to make it less than easy, but that is about it.

Even if the wheel has a chain on it, its still easy to lift a bike into a trailer.

You will never beat these #stards, just do yer best!

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The objective is just to make it more difficult for yours to be stolen than the others in the local vicinity. Just the same as being chased by a Lion, you only have to run faster than your mates wink , no need to run faster than the Lion.

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Kommando--- I have never heard that analogy before---but it is a good one--I like it a lot and will doubtless use it in the future!

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Think the OP is in Oz, so not much help there, but a LoJack type location service exists for the U.S..
https://www.finditnowusa.com/


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We got similar stuff down here
Doubt that any of them are actually successful at finding stolen vehicles unless they were joyriders


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Howley #824557 09/23/20 3:10 pm
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GPS trackers are everywhere in trucking. the trucks i drive tell my dispatcher where i am and how fast i'm going. if i'm on a forbidden road or going too fast i get a telephone call. last time it happened my truck boss called me up to ask why i was on the wrong well pad, and i explained that i was inside the porta john there because the place i was going didn't have one.

they're also used a lotl in the oil industry. one of the local oil companies had trouble with people stealing 12-volt batteries from their remote equipment. so they installed trackers-- and a warning sign-- on the batteries and that apparently slowed things down.

the sandbox trailers i use have GPS trackers hidden on them.

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one was stolen a while back and the company spotted the tracker concealed inside a shop, over the internet. when the police arrived there they discovered the trailer inside being cut up for scrap. trailer was junk but they got the thief.

other uses i remember include putting trackers inside beehives to catch people who steal them (mostly a problem in areas where bees are rented for pollination) but a potential issue everywhere. mostly it's beekeepers who steal beehives, but if one hive in a yard of fity has a tracker, you can spot the theft before the thief can open all of them up to look for the tracker.

a haybale incident i read about several years ago was amusing,. an indiana farmer had someone pilfering his haybales from the side of the field. not expensive individually, but it was adding up. so he stuck a tracker inside one that only activated when the haybale was moved. when the alarm dinged he got the cops and they followed the tracker to the thief who still had the haybale stuck on a spike on the back of his truck.

the motorcycle units don't appear to be very big, come with an internal battery, and can send location updates to your smartphone every ten minutes, for example. so you get an immdeiate notice of the theft yoourself and can tell the police where the bike is, yourself.

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the only thing that defeats them is if the thief can identify the box and ditch it before you catch up to him. more of a problem for our stuff because high-tech units stand out against the primitive electrical systems, especially if they are labelled "GPS VEHICLE TRACKER. . ." like ^^this idiotic one.


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Originally Posted by kevin
...because high-tech units stand out against the primitive electrical systems, especially if they are labelled "MOTORCYCLE GPS TRACKING DEVICE . . ."

On a Norton if it was inside a ham can air filter, no one could get at it.
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