BritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike Sponsor SteadfastCyclesBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorBritBike SponsorHepolite PistonsBritBike Sponsor
Upgrade to: Premium Membership | Gold Membership | Life Membership | Vendor Membership | Site Sponsor Membership
Welcome to BritBike Forum!
Member Spotlight
SteveM
SteveM
Austin, KY, USA
Posts: 290
Joined: August 2007
New BritBike book out!
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
Search eBay for motorcycle parts in following countries
Australia, Canada, France, Holland, Italy, United Kingdom, USA
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#817812 07/28/20 7:09 pm
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Britbike forum member
OP Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
A good friend of mine has recently scored a 1968 B44 fitted with a fibre glass flat tracker kit.
We dont think that it is recent --rather more a late 1960s period piece--maybe fitted by the dealer from new to shift the metal--or in this case metal and fibre glass!
There is a very faded label stuck under the seat and my friend would be interested to learn more about the fibre glass unit.
I attach photos of the bike and the label.
Any information gratefully received.

BSA B44 Flat Tracker-- July 2020.jpg BSA B44 Flat Tracker Unit Label--July 2020.jpg
Support Your #1 BritBike Forum!

Check out British motorcycles for sale: British Motorcycles on e-Bay UK, British motorcycles on e-Bay North America
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 6,399
Likes: 176
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 6,399
Likes: 176
It's American Competition Engineering, 5046 Calmview Street, Baldwin Park California. They also made frames. The name should be enough to allow your friend to find more information on the web.

Following is somewhat enhanced from the photograph you posted:

[Linked Image]

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Britbike forum member
OP Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Thanks a lot, Charlie, much appreciated.

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 6,399
Likes: 176
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 6,399
Likes: 176
Originally Posted by Tridentman
Thanks a lot, Charlie, much appreciated.
Ah, you tricked me by posting it in two places. I was sure I had responded, but my response disappeared. Now I see why I couldn't find it.

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Britbike forum member
OP Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Sorry--just trying to get the attention of those who might know--thinking that they might look at one board but not the other---and vice versa.
Thanks again!

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 24
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 24
Doubt it was fitted by the dealer... but I'd guess it is probably a more recent addition. 15 years ago or so a bunch of them (NOS) surfaced on eBay. Don't know the back-story, but for a while there were a lot of them available... they may have been a part of that west coast cargo-container stash that the Sandy Bandit forgot about and got bought up at an auction? They didn't sell like hotcakes, and so most went pretty cheaply. Seemed like most (of that batch anyway) were for BSA unit singles, but I do recall seeing some for Triumph twins.

I admit I did actually think (for a moment) about buying one for a fast fix/flip on a roller, but even a $25 price tag couldn't convince me to do that to it.

1 member likes this: Gordon Gray
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 6,796
Likes: 43
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 6,796
Likes: 43
This is just my opinion, but setup seems to me, to be more show than go !

[Linked Image]


Jon W.


1957 6T Thunderbird 650
1968 T100R Daytona 500
1971 TR6R Tiger 650
1970 BSA A65F 650
1955 Tiger 100 - Project
1971 BSA A65 650 - Project
1972 Norton Commando 750 "Combat"


"Every time I listen to AC/DC, so do my neighbors"

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Britbike forum member
OP Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Yes--but an interesting period piece I guess.

The company was founded on 30th October 1968 but is no longer trading.

Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,868
Likes: 68
Q
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Q
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,868
Likes: 68

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 172
Likes: 4
M
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
M
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 172
Likes: 4
"street tracker"... it was a thing

1 member likes this: Gordon Gray
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,368
Likes: 39
Life Member
Offline
Life Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,368
Likes: 39
I’m with Steve on this one. I remember those things showing up on eBay. Started out around $125 (NOS) then went down from there. I know of two that were purchased BUT once the new owners started to mount them......they both gave up and I’m pretty sure those two are still hanging on rafters. This all came about around the same time the ethanol/ fiberglass mess was full blown. Just another reason why I stayed away from them. To date I still haven’t witnessed in person one of those mounted on a unit single. I have seen a few photos....IMO.....in those it just doesn’t seem to “fit” right.

Gordon in NC

PS. I do remember a fellow ( on this board) had one mounted but it cracked at several points. Probably more to do with HOW it was mounted than the construction of the seat/tank.

Last edited by Gordon Gray; 07/29/20 11:19 am.
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Britbike forum member
OP Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,166
Likes: 60
Strange that you should mention that, Gordon.
After my friend got the bike home he found that the tank/seat unit was only mounted to the bike by one bolt through the tank.
There were mounting points under the seat of the tank/seat unit but they were way off lining up with anything on the bike frame.
I kinda like it in a period type way but it isn't too practical for everyday use.
My friend has got some AV gas to use in it to avoid destroying the tank with ethanol fuel---but that limits the range to local rides only.

1 member likes this: Gordon Gray
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,368
Likes: 39
Life Member
Offline
Life Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,368
Likes: 39
Yes sir, that’s was what I gathered by other people’s experience. The thing was marketed for BSA unit singles ( Steve says there was also a Triumph version) but it “really” never actually fit any of the stock mounting points. The stock side covers didn’t line up well either. Lots of stress where the seat and tank meet on the frame.

Sealers and fiberglass are a crap shoot IMO. You do hear success stories (Alex’s Rickman A65). Then there’re the folks that drain the tank after each use and try to ONLY use non ethanol. (Gary?) That just never worked for me. I want a bike I can jump on and do a 1500 mile weekend when I want to. So I moved on to steel or alloy for fuel tanks.

Gordon in NC

Last edited by Gordon Gray; 07/29/20 1:13 pm.
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 24
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 24
Possibly made for oily frame?

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,368
Likes: 39
Life Member
Offline
Life Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,368
Likes: 39
Originally Posted by Steve Erickson
Possibly made for oily frame?

Good point. Can’t say for a 100% certainty but I’m pretty sure the ones I followed the progress on were both pre OIF.

Pud

Last edited by Gordon Gray; 07/29/20 2:37 pm.
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,643
Likes: 18
A
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
A
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,643
Likes: 18
I have a 1967 Greeves fibreglass tank, never had ethanol fuel in it. It leaks because the fibreglass degrades over time, heat sunlight and vibration all take their toll.


BSA B31 500 "Stargazer"
Greeves 200 "Blue Meanie"
Greeves 350
Greeves 360
Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
GM500 sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
Jawa 500 "Llareggub"
Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
'35 & '36 OK Supreme
Kawasaki ZZR1400 "Kuro no senshi"
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,643
Likes: 18
A
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
A
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,643
Likes: 18
I remember on TV, a Corvette specialist saying that to restore even a good a body will need stabilising with gallons of resin to be applied to the inside surfaces of the body, before even thinking about the outside. The fibreglass becomes dry, porous and brittle


BSA B31 500 "Stargazer"
Greeves 200 "Blue Meanie"
Greeves 350
Greeves 360
Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
GM500 sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
Jawa 500 "Llareggub"
Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
'35 & '36 OK Supreme
Kawasaki ZZR1400 "Kuro no senshi"
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 7,241
Likes: 53
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 7,241
Likes: 53
I hate fibreglass repairs. The paint i did on my clubmans seat would have looked lovely had it not generated small cracks in the paint.


Now let’s all have a beer beerchug

68’ A65 Lightning “clubman”
71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
68’ D14 trials (undergoing transformation)

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,479
Likes: 21
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,479
Likes: 21
Hanging on the wall in my garage.


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


I've had it longer then the time since the Cycle Hub sale in 2002 but can't remember where I got it. It could have come from Mark McCracken Motors or F&W English Motorcyle, both in Portland and both out of business. I know Mike, one of the F&W owners had one on his B25. Most of those trailers from Cycle Hub were full of NOS, warrenty, and used parts from Duarte.


Bill B...


Boomer
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 24
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 24
Peddled by Johnson Motors... for a BSA, interesting. Is it actually marked anywhere on it that it is for BSA unit single?

Tunnel isn't wide enough for OIF. Could be that with the stock solo seat bracket it might align with the solo mount on the 66-67 VE frames?

Bill- That stash I was talking about was prior to the clear-out in Portland, by a few years as I remember. Story I heard was that Cliff had containers of stuff that had never left Cal, he didn't have room, and he was paying storage rental on them Allegedly he lost track of one and it was auctioned off sight unseen for past-due fees. The guys that ended up with it disposed of a lot of items on eBay in a short period, around the same time these popped up. But I'm not sure these bodies were part of that...?

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,479
Likes: 21
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,479
Likes: 21
Duarte was after Johnson Motors was absorbed by the factory and shortly thereafter combined with BSA. So actually that card is kinda rare. Doesn't have any other markings on it. But the ones with the red slashes I've only seen on BSA's.

Cliff had trailers all over the place, some stored here in Portland, a couple right outside his shop, and at least two in Redding. The Redding trailers were stored at a friends junkyard for years and when the property was sold they got moved down the road and stored at another business. That was supposed to be temporary and after Cliff was notified several times to come and get them they were auctioned off at a Sheriffs sale. A couple of bikers who knew what was in them got someone to back them and they got them cheap. They then sold them to I think two different parties, one of which was a new Triumph dealer on the North Cal coast. He auctioned most of his parts on eBay. There was some litigation over the whole deal and most of the parts disappeared after that. That was several years before he sold most of his shop inventory along with the other trailers.


Bill B...


Boomer
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 24
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 24
Ha-ha, I kinda figured that you would have the whole story...

Every one I've seen with the slashes, as you say, has been advertised as being for BSA unit singles. But if it isn't marked, and doesn't align...

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 172
Likes: 4
M
Britbike forum member
Offline
Britbike forum member
M
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 172
Likes: 4
my local BSA dealer was also the Triumph and Honda dealer. I'm thinking it was late 70s I went in & he had one of those on the clearance table along with all his other remaining BSA inventory. the guy made a comment that it would go good on my A65.


Moderated by  Allan G, Jon W. Whitley 

Link Copied to Clipboard
BritBike SponsorBritBike Sponsor
Upgrade to: Premium Membership | Gold Membership | Life Membership | Vendor Membership | Site Sponsor Membership
Home | Sponsors, Newsletter | Regalia | Calendar | Bike Project | BritBike Museum | Spiders Cartoons, | DVD- Manuals & Parts books









Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5