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67' Lightning paint color?
#812990 06/18/20 2:45 am
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Hi all,
Can anyone direct me to matching the BSA Lightning Red paint? I have a '67 tank and covers that were repainted black. Looking to restore the original red.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
-Dennis

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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Dennis Yurcik #813035 06/18/20 12:07 pm
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Candy (Translucent) red over a silver metallic base.

Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Dennis Yurcik #813047 06/18/20 3:21 pm
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House of Kolors candy apple red is a good match, but your painter needs to know how many coats to do and know when to stop, the more coats the redder the finish. A gold base can be a better looking colour but not original but what is original as the finish varied at BSA depending on which foreman mixed the paint for the shift.

Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
kommando #813051 06/18/20 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by kommando
House of Kolors candy apple red is a good match, but your painter needs to know how many coats to do and know when to stop, the more coats the redder the finish. A gold base can be a better looking colour but not original but what is original as the finish varied at BSA depending on which foreman mixed the paint for the shift.


I've seen these guys Specialist Paints.com and their Red looks like a decent match.

If your painting with aerosol then the translucent red is usually (or least it is from RS Paint) seperate from the lacquer, coating with 2k lacquer gives the right effect however the "candy" colour looks the same whether you have 2 coats or 15 coats, it only changes when you have applied the lacquer... The problem with this is you soon find you have un-even coats of candy and the colour becomes darker or paler accordingly. So if your not happy its sand it back to primer and start again, applying more candy colour over the lacquer just doesn't work.

If your lucky enough to paint it "properly" with a spray gun then the candy coat is the lacquer, you should (I have no experience this way) be able to see the finished effect instantly and correct it as you go.... I think....

Or save yourself a heap of heartache and get the Renault metalic red that they paint clio's and Kadjars (and probably other models) with, its a metalic and a darn good match, it'll save you a lot of money and look just as good.


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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Dennis Yurcik #813054 06/18/20 4:10 pm
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Agree on the color, candy-apple red over a silver metallic base. Yes, painter needs to know what he's doing with regard to number of coats, etc.

However, I would strongly recommend using urethane paint, from the primer on up. This is the only modern paint that is impervious to fuel and fuel vapor. The way the filler cap and spigot are designed, if you just use a urethane finish coat, the fuel or vapor will inevitably get under the edge and lift the paint.

I guess whatever they used originally at the factory was also impervious to petrol and probably predates urethane paint, but I don't know what that was. I suspect some form of enamel though and not lacquer. I tried once using lacquer with a urethane sealer and it was a disaster.


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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Dennis Yurcik #813090 06/18/20 10:05 pm
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Have you ever used the 2k activated lacquers Mark (the same as 2K from a spray gun that sets hard), there are some 2k “Converted air dry” paints/lacquers which is sold in a can but not burstable inner can type. These look just as nice when done but soften quickly and go a mess, worst with fuel but even a tank bag destroys them. The 2K activated is petrol proof.

Regarding the urethane I’ve been considering it as an option for
Frame paint.


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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Dennis Yurcik #813164 06/19/20 4:34 pm
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No I wasn't aware of the 2k activated lacquers. My saying "I tried" this or that is a bit misleading; I've always left the painting to professionals. I was told the paint job that didn't work (red on my '67 Lightning) was lacquer with a urethane clear coat, presumably ordinary lacquer. Also, that was... let me see... thirty years ago?

The black paint on my bitsa fuel tank was done about ten years ago by a highly qualified auto painter, and he's the one who stipulated the urethane paint, which he claimed is the standard for general automotive painting these days. This current paint job has held up excellently, but black is easier than a multi-layered translucent paint job.

So I'm by no means an expert on paint, and I shouldn't have said that urethane is the only way to go - I'm sure there must be other petrol-safe solutions.


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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Dennis Yurcik #813192 06/19/20 7:19 pm
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Lacquers are just about a paint of the past. The issue with them is that they have to be rubbed out, then constant upkeep to keep it looking good. The last rod I painted with lacquers was in the '80's. Mostly use base coat/clear coat now. Once in a while I use a single stage. Black cycle parts get the powder coat treatment now.


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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Mark Z #813202 06/19/20 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Z
No I wasn't aware of the 2k activated lacquers. My saying "I tried" this or that is a bit misleading; I've always left the painting to professionals. I was told the paint job that didn't work (red on my '67 Lightning) was lacquer with a urethane clear coat, presumably ordinary lacquer. Also, that was... let me see... thirty years ago?

The black paint on my bitsa fuel tank was done about ten years ago by a highly qualified auto painter, and he's the one who stipulated the urethane paint, which he claimed is the standard for general automotive painting these days. This current paint job has held up excellently, but black is easier than a multi-layered translucent paint job.

So I'm by no means an expert on paint, and I shouldn't have said that urethane is the only way to go - I'm sure there must be other petrol-safe solutions.

You can only go by your own experience, I’ve never used urethane but as I say I’m considering it for a frame, I believe it’s quite resistant to chips etc. I think the 2K activated lacquers/paints are fairly new. I find it’s as tough as old boots and polished up well and stays that way. The side Panels on my bike are not done with this (long story) but it also quite expensive at £25-30 a tin. So unless your going to use the tin within a day or 2 at most in cooler conditions then it’s not worth starting the tin.

My side panels get a hammering with having rear sets and my leathers having the zip up the inside means plenty of scuffing, those had a few lacquer coats on and polish up OK.


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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Allan G #813231 06/20/20 1:03 am
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Thanks for the info, guys. Certainly helps to have that before investing time and money.
While we're here, anyone know a match for the Lightning Clubman gold?

Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Dennis Yurcik #813282 06/20/20 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Yurcik
Thanks for the info, guys. Certainly helps to have that before investing time and money.
While we're here, anyone know a match for the Lightning Clubman gold?

I would bet that Rich B knows; he has a restored Clubman, but you may have to start another thread on that to get his attention.


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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Dennis Yurcik #813286 06/20/20 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Yurcik
Hi all,
Can anyone direct me to matching the BSA Lightning Red paint? I have a '67 tank and covers that were repainted black. Looking to restore the original red.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
-Dennis
If you are totally serious about this paint thing I highly suggest Don Hutchinson. I used flamboyant red from him and it looks great. All his colors are true to original. Of course his paints should be applied by someone who knows what they're doing.

https://hutchinsoncycle.com/


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Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Mark Z #813538 06/22/20 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by Mark Z
Originally Posted by Dennis Yurcik
Thanks for the info, guys. Certainly helps to have that before investing time and money.
While we're here, anyone know a match for the Lightning Clubman gold?

I would bet that Rich B knows; he has a restored Clubman, but you may have to start another thread on that to get his attention.

Thanks, Mark. I'll give that a shot.

Re: 67' Lightning paint color?
Beach #813539 06/22/20 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by Beach
Originally Posted by Dennis Yurcik
Hi all,
Can anyone direct me to matching the BSA Lightning Red paint? I have a '67 tank and covers that were repainted black. Looking to restore the original red.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
-Dennis
If you are totally serious about this paint thing I highly suggest Don Hutchinson. I used flamboyant red from him and it looks great. All his colors are true to original. Of course his paints should be applied by someone who knows what they're doing.

https://hutchinsoncycle.com/

Thanks, Bill. I'll take a look at Don's site. Much appreciated.


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