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For the Bonneville.

Looks like as with most bike bits, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Chrome, stainless, vapor honed, cad plated, zinc plated, angel hair pasta, etc.

I am leaning toward stainless bespoke spokes.

So:
1) Don't do it because _____________.
2) Supplier recommendations?

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Depending on your preference I’d go stainless and then have the spokes Vapor blasted, if you prefer shiny go with polished.


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http://www.buchananspokes.com/categories/spoke_kits.asp

Buchanan's has really nice stainless spokes. Reasonably priced.


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Thanks gents.
Polished from Buchanan's it is.


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Now to hijack my own thread.

Went to take a spin and Bonnie was sitting on flat rear tire.
Well, had new 46T sprocket and IWIS chain sitting on the bench, so the moment to install organically presented itself.

Inspect tire and find no obvious nails, screws, cuts, etc.
Wheel off, attempt to pump up. Air whistling out as fast as pumped in.
Replace Schrader valve core, no help.
Tire off wheel.
The tube is a Kenda, and the base of the valve stem has rusted/rotted leaving a separation from the tube.

I can find lots of opinions on tires (going with Gold Seal K70), but not running across much on tubes.
I won't be getting another Kenda.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgen
I can find lots of opinions on tires (going with Gold Seal K70), but not running across much on tubes.
I've exclusively used Michelin tubes in all my bikes for at least 20 years without any problems so far (knock wood). That's at least eight tubes I can think of.

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p.s. they also make a Heavy Duty tube that I have in some of my bikes. The photo is of a spare tube I had along with me on the Cannonball. I don't remember why it isn't a Heavy Duty version, but it may have to do with the size of the Ariel's tires(?).

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Done.
Thanks MM.


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Using washing up liquid as rubber lube when fitting the tyre will do that, it promotes corrosion.


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Thanks Gavin.
Everything points to you being dead on. Other spots of light corrosion around the entire interior perimeter.

Expected to find a real mess under the rim strip, but didn't find much.
The strip must have kept it out.

Seems to be the original Dunlop WM3-18 rim. Would like to hang on to it.
So once it's down to a bare rim, what best to neutralize/remove the rust?


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Stuff with phosphoric acid in it, it turns the rust from red to black and holds it at bay, you may need to put something tougher over the top.
Or my favourite , electrolysis, that gets into places you wont reach with paint. Easy and cheap, you will have most of the stuff lying around, look in the kitchen cupboard for washing soda, a battery or charger, some leads and a big flat pan to make the electric soup in. Watch a you tube vid or two. if you have a cheap source of molasses then theres that, also very easy.
Or you can give one of the snake oil brands a load for a similar effect.


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What molasses has in its favor is that that, unlike other chemicals and methods of rust removal, it doesn't attack the metal. It's slow, but it works. When it's done (in less than a week) all of the chrome and steel that remained before will still be there. Only the rust will be gone.

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MM, I knew from past oblique references that you use some secret concoction of corn, boot polish and molasses.
Right after posting I did some googling and a goodly number of the write-ups touting molasses mentioned horrific odors, ghastly molds, divorces, etc.
Not for the weekend sailorman?


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Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgen
the write-ups touting molasses mentioned horrific odors, ghastly molds, divorces, etc.
First, molasses has a strong smell, but not a bad smell. If it smelled bad there wouldn't be molasses cookies (unless they were only made in Scotland, like haggis). Second, if you de-rust motorcycle parts in the house you deserve to have your wife leave you.

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To close this thread out perhaps someone would share their secret sauce recipe?

Blackstrap, light, dark, treacle, sorghum?
Unsulphured?
Beet or cane sugar?
Livestock feed grade or Grandma's Original?

Dilutant?
Dilution ratio?


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Originally Posted by Magnetoman
What molasses has in its favor is that that, unlike other chemicals and methods of rust removal, it doesn't attack the metal. It's slow, but it works. When it's done (in less than a week) all of the chrome and steel that remained before will still be there. Only the rust will be gone.

I am fairly sure that citric acid , which is just as slow as molassis will only remove the rust and not attack the base iron.
Dilute hydrochloric acid is also good for removing rust with minimal partent metal removal
Boiling caustic will also remove rust and not attack the base steel, however boiling a rin in a strong lye solution would not be fun

Boiling in lye is also areally good way of removing paint from barrels because it does not attack the cast iron ( well in truth it does but very very slowly ) if you can not afford vapour or bead blasting.


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For anything with chrome Oxalic acid is good as it does not affect the chrome or steel other than removing the rust, citric acid is a close second. Phosphoric does not work on the exposed steel, if it is in view, as the steel is blackened by the Iron Phosphate protective layer, which stands out against the chrome, but unseen under a tyre that is not an issue. Silver paint will cover the clean steel and the chrome rim will look good from 5ft.

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Going back on topic
I always use "butted" spokes. the larger diameter at the head end makes them less likely to break on the bend.
Has anyone had a spoke beak other than on the bend?


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I have had spokes break at the nipple thread end, but yeah, its usually the bend.


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Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgen
To close this thread out perhaps someone would share their secret sauce recipe?
Twenty-five years ago I bought 5 gal. of organic, biodegradable de-rusting solution from a company that was still around as of a year ago (but whose name I don't remember just now). To top it up, a year or so ago I bought 5 ga. of molasses from a feed store. So, my secret recipe is a pail with ~4 gal. of an unknown molasses-like substance mixed with ~1 gal. of livestock molasses.

Once I found molasses, I gave up on acids...

I'd suggest you research for yourself any de-rusting solution with 'acid' in the description.

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Sounds like a rumtopf I had running, but gave up when I moved to the U.K. for a bit.

Got some Evapo-Rust for the base.
"Free of dangerous VOCs, solvents, acids, and bases"
"Works through selective chelation"

A number of the antique auto forum posts advise various dilutions of the molasses.
Maybe the cost of submersing large parts.


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Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgen
A number of the antique auto forum posts advise various dilutions of the molasses.
Maybe the cost of submersing large parts.
I don't remember what I paid for the molasses, but a search on line shows ~$30/5 gal. While 5 gal. wouldn't go very far with a car fender, somewhere in my Ariel thread I show how I de-rusted an M20 mudguard in sections in a tray when I thought I might use its hinged feature to make it easier to change the rear tire.

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I have a 5-gal. bucket filled with Rusteco that I bought ~25 years ago and have used many times since then. The company is still in business and I suspect it's just a molasses/treacle solution.

I went back through the early part of this thread because I remembered having used it before and I found the post that shows the results on a rusty mudguard after two days plus a light brushing with a Scotchbrite pad (nb. this journey back through time reminded me just how much work I did to rebuild this this bike), I wouldn't have needed the pad if I had taken the mudguard outside to hose it off instead, which I didn't do because it would have left a trail of dripping molasses across the garage floor.

Not because the solution didn't seem to be working well after 25 years and many de-rustings, because it did, but for no good reason at the time I added a bottle of blackstrap molasses. I also had no good reason to use blackstrap rather than normal molasses, other than it just looks more "heavy duty." I don't know if this made the Rusteco work better or worse, but it still works fine

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgen
at the time I added a bottle of blackstrap molasses...
Ah, you found where I described it. I'd forgotten about the blackstrap, but subsequent to that I bought the 5 gal. from the feed store. The container is still 80% full and taking up space in a corner of the garage. I can't store it outside because the plastic wouldn't survive the heat and UV for very long before cracking (yes, I could cover it with a plastic tarp but that would only delay the inevitable).


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