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1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe #794883 01/05/20 7:35 pm
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I have been trying to research what the proper tail light and mounting position is on a 1968 B44 Victor Special. Some of the photos look like the light assembly mounts above the fender brace, while others make it look like it points at the brace and the rear of the light bracket mounts against the brace. Another one looks like the assembly mounts below the brace. The light I have is not the one that bridges over the top of the brace. Any help from anyone ? I see in the parts list that in 1969 they list 2 different fenders ands light assemblies, but I believe mine is a 68. I can supply photos of the light assembly if that helps ? Thanks folks. I want to try and get this right !

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Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794899 01/05/20 9:29 pm
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This is a scan of the VS page in the 1968 brochure. What is strange is that the tail lamp alloy housing appears to have the groove on top for the fender loop.

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Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: Gordo in Comox] #794911 01/05/20 11:13 pm
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trying to post a picture of the light U have not having much luck will keep at it thanks everyone

Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: Gordo in Comox] #794915 01/05/20 11:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Gordo in Comox
This is a scan of the VS page in the 1968 brochure. What is strange is that the tail lamp alloy housing appears to have the groove on top for the fender loop.

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The curve on that tail light housing is to suit the arc of the guard. There is another type used on some B25’s? Which fit light side of the loop


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Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794916 01/05/20 11:35 pm
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Here is the 1968 parts page. Allen, you are absolutely correct, When I look at the actual photo it is the curve as you have stated.

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Here is the 69 housing on the left, no indentation
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Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794918 01/05/20 11:42 pm
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Gordo What is the trick to posting pictures I don't see any where to add an attachment??

Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794920 01/05/20 11:54 pm
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I use the postimage.org Hosting system.

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Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: Gordo in Comox] #794921 01/06/20 12:16 am
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I have the one on the right Guess they call it the short light Not sure what is really right every picture I look at including the brochure pic you sent is different?? Guess it ism a matter of finding a fender that is drilled right for the light I have?? B=Not sure what's next

Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794932 01/06/20 3:00 am
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The one on the right is the same as on Triumph 500 and 650 bikes , 1968-1970.
Victors used that one too. And so did the Triumph TR25W 250cc bikes (those are just BSAs with Triumph nameplates)

However, the black metal plate that attaches to it and also mounts the whole assemble to the fender is NOT exactly the same as what Triumphs used.
I say "not exactly" because the BSA fender has a deeper curved cross section that do the Triumph fenders. That plate is stamped to match the BSA fender's cross section.

REMEMBER: Sales brochures often show artist renderings or mock-ups of what the bikes MIGHT look like.
They should not be taken as factual illustrations of the finished product.

Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794943 01/06/20 6:05 am
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The taillight for a 68 VS is as pictured in the ad, and on Gordo's post on the left. It does sit over the rail. That was almost a one-year application for the 441, BSA did use it for the earlier 69 models, it was changed during the 69 model year to the one shown on the right (which also has at least a couple permutations due to fender curve and rear rail design on different models). If your bike is a 68, it has some features unique to it and the early 69 models, this being one of them.

(I think maybe the Shooting Star continued with them through 69, and maybe some twins? not sure...)

Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794975 01/06/20 12:58 pm
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Thanks, Steve. That's news to me.

I have three B44 Victors; '67, '69, and '70.

Having no '68 among them, I made a false assumption.

Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: Irish Swede] #794981 01/06/20 1:46 pm
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Sounds like you probably have a "later" 69, Irish. The earlier ones were identical to the 68 VS, with thigh-scorching oil tank filler, solid black seat, this taillight. I've never been able to find out if the 69 changes were made gradually, or all happened at a certain number... but I kinda think it was a matter of using up 68 parts inventory.

EDIT- I forgot about the muffler when I stated the earlier 69s were same as 68... the muffler seems to have been changed to the later style at the beginning of the 69 model run, was the only major deviation from the 68, I believe. Also, shocks were unshrouded at the outset I think(?)... and I've never been really sure about a Ducon.

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Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794984 01/06/20 2:33 pm
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My Feb 69 built Shooting Star has 68 rod damper forks but 7" TLS brake plus the later alloy tail light casting. Must have been a lot of left over 68 parts around.

Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #794997 01/06/20 5:44 pm
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It is hard to sort out the bits. I have a Feb 69 and a Mar 69 VS and they both have the thigh bruising oil tank. They both have the rod damper front forks. The 1970 parts book shows a different part number for the oil tank even though the drawing is the same. The 70 fork shafts have a different part number but the rod dampers are still shown.

Were the changes gradual or tied to the model years? What does the 'later' oil tank look like? It appears that the VS did not ever go to the Triumph type forks that other BSA models did. Clearly the Shooting Star followed a different path.

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Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #795007 01/06/20 7:49 pm
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The VS stayed with rod dampers to the end, they never Trumphised the screw in axle fork lowers, so only the full width hub Unit Singles went Triumph shuttle valve.

The later oil tank only has a shorter oil filler neck, everything else is the same, I have them on both of my 69's to make kickstarting

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Re: 1968 B44 Victor Special tail light and rear fe [Re: nohvccbob] #795031 01/06/20 11:10 pm
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Well my memory is failing. I took the tail lamp off in 1974 to ride an enduro event in northern Alberta and since then I have not had lights on this bike. Now 46 years later I took the two types out to the garage for a trial fitting. One bike still has the original chrome rear fender with the original holes in that area. The only housing that matches the holes is the short one with the indentation for the fender brace. The brace just tucks into the indentation. There is no possible way that the long housing can be made to work. The other bike does not have the original fender so I cannot see what will match it. It could be that the longer housing came on the second bike but I have no way of checking.

This is a Feb 69 bike that fits the short housing

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