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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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I think we may have found the source of the darker fireflake blues.
House of Kolor (HOK) Royal Blue flakes.
Lets see if this displays.

[Linked Image from i1124.photobucket.com]

A not unattractive color.
But a notably darker blue.

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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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I like it


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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Indeed, me too.

Most suppliers would call that cobalt blue.
Bit overwhelming in metalflake on large real estate though ?

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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Sure, that's a nice color, but the original seems like the best to me. Anyway, my friend, who owns the blue Combat above has decided to sell it for 11K. I have advised him repeatedly not to sell it as it cannot be replaced. This is a good one. It is currently held back by a single AMAL MKII and I've tried to get him to pop for a set of Premiers now for over a year and let the tiger out. It farts and backfires when cold but runs OK when warmed up. However, he cannot run away from my 850 which is bone stock and I think it should.
Whoever built this bike had some knowledge of them, that is apparent. The frame is gusseted and lots of details are very nice. Plus this bike handles like a Triumph. Not kidding here. Mine seems like a lumbering turd in comparison even though I have the Tailor head steady and hydraulic steering damper, new isolastics and swingarm bushings, and shocks. I've been studying the bike and can see no difference in them. In fact, my '74 has a '72 750 frame even!

Must be a Wednesday bike, so that's why he should keep it.

If I can't talk him out of it, I think I can talk him into a Dominator or a 650SS. At the end of the day, those bikes will likely hold or increase value over even a Combat Commando, in my estimation.

So, anybody know of one for sale?

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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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OEM fibreglass tank on fleabay - said to be a 71.

[Linked Image]

The other side is interesting, a more faded look. And ghosted decal outline ?

[Linked Image]

Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Originally Posted by raf940
I like it


Me too!

Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Originally Posted by raf940
I like it

Originally Posted by TripleTown
Me too!


Thats the colour I painted my H*nda....

Fireflake Blue Fastback on fleabay.
Project, not entirely stock. Paint looks good though, missing decal aside...

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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Left side cover on fleabay.
Uses the word 'original' several times, but I'm not so sure that applies to the paint ?

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850 Mk 1 on fleabay, said to be a repaint.

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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Exceedingly stock looking FireFlake Blue 850 out in Oklahoma.
Has to be a repaint, looks too good to be original.
Certainly faithful to the original though.
(updated braided brake line)(I think ?)
[Linked Image from i.ebayimg.com]

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https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/z3wAAOSw1mZdwgu6/s-l1600.jpg

And one looking resplendent in FireFlake Golden Bronze, while we are here...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2BUAAOSwzeddw3KL/s-l1600.jpg


And over in Florida, this is being described as a NOS tank - on a 1970 Roadster.
[Linked Image from i.ebayimg.com]

NOS 1971 sidecover in Santa Cruz
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Norvil have (had ?) what is said to be NOS Fastback tank in stock, said to be flakes in the gelcoat.
(although with that gold decal, doesn't seem quite right ?)

[Linked Image from norvilmotorcycle.co.uk]

Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
Rohan #791907 12/03/19 4:52 am
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A Mk2 850 in Fireflake Royal Blue on fleabay.
Described as a Mk2A, but obviously it is not. (and a commonly seen mistaken identity)
Stated to be a repaint (in a metallic paint ?), and the decals and pinstripes a little awry confirm this.
In lovely condition by the look of it.

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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
Rohan #796045 01/20/20 12:24 am
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Its perhaps worth commenting that the Interstates had their own version of blue - a solid plain almost navy blue.
Have I seen this called a French Blue someplace ?
No pinstripes on the sidecovers.
The 750 tanks had a single fatter pinstripe, and the 850 models had a finer twin pinstripe all around the tank.

Could be factory rijjinal 750 paint ?
[Linked Image from cdn.bringatrailer.com]
[Linked Image from cdn.bringatrailer.com]

French Blue.
[Linked Image from colorhexa.com]
Nope, it would seem not

Not quite blue, but a Fireflake Roman Purple 1970 Roadster in Ohio, too good not to pass along.
Tank, seat and sidecovers are better than the rest of the bike, Considerably better...
(And if only he'd polished it before the photo).

[Linked Image from i.ebayimg.com]

And a pair of (fibreglass) Fireflake Golden Bronze 850 sidecovers, in Oz.
I keep wondering if these are/were a pair...

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

And a fibreglass tank and sidecover set in Michigan.
Tank is likely past its use-by date ?
[Linked Image from i.ebayimg.com]

And a pic spotted in passing. Said to be 1970
[Linked Image from assets.shannons.com.au]


Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
Rohan #796490 01/24/20 9:01 pm
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Being discussed elsewhere is this gorgeous 850, shown on flickr by Andy Mortimer

[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]

[Linked Image from metalflakecorp.com]

When you compare the sample of Royal Blue shown on Metalflakecorps' website,
it (bike) does seem a little darker. But its fair to say that previous examples of FFBlue here
show as various shades, so it may be that the shade supplied hasn't always been the same ?
I'd also comment that photographing FireFlake colors is notoriously difficult, my auto camera for
example always washes out the sparkly effect, especially compared to viewing it in the metal (as it were..)

The base coat color also strongly influences the final result/shade, and this doesn't seem to be documented ANYWHERE ??

Not forgetting this one
[Linked Image from cdn.myonlinestore.eu]

Ann Arbour Michigan, 1974. Said to be 17,000 original miles
Similarity to the shade of sidecover just above must be noted
[Linked Image from usedmotorcyclesforsalelist.com]

Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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https://www.eBay.com/itm/Norton-850-Original-Side-Cover-Fiberglass/143510856452?hash=item2169e9e304:g:qe8AAOSwhKZeIdzc

Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
Rohan #796592 01/25/20 9:31 pm
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Thanks Jimbo - now attached here.

Used sidecovers are starting to show up thick and fast these days,
some of them at rather hefty prices indeed.
Thats the 1st one with a sensible starting price for a while now.

I think its also fair to say in quite a range of FireFlake Blues, it must be said.
Quite clearly there was far from one 'correct' shade of blue...
Whether this has to do with paint v's fibreglass remains to be seen ??

[Linked Image from i.ebayimg.com]

I'll dig out some of my collected tank photos.


Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Originally Posted by Rohan

I'll dig out some of my collected tank photos.


850 tank (clearly, note the twin pinstripes).(only the 850 models had twin pinstripes)
Note also the flaked paint along the bottom edge, so clearly a steel tank.
Don't recall where I obtained this pic, but original factory (?) Fireflake Blue.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Edit & P.S.
Note the vague similarity of this shade of FFBlue to the brochure pic ?

[Linked Image from i.ebayimg.com]

Another 850 tank, marked out for pinstripe measurements.
Also note the flaking paint along the lower edge, also a steel tank, and factory (?) original.
A darker shade of factory fireflake blue.
[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Edit & P.S.
Note the similarity of this shade of FFBlue to the brochure pic
[Linked Image from i.ebayimg.com]

Now it is feasible that either of these tanks above (or indeed both) have been repainted somewhere in the past 45+ years.
But there are many other similar shades of bikes/parts with similar colours.
So, we have (at least) 2 distinctive shades of Fireflake Blue in the 850 era.

I rather like this example, with an example of an early 70s colour sample card for Commandos to compare with.
Bike is 72westies known original paint 850 bike - some years back now, he still have this bike ? ( I added the colour card comparison)
[Linked Image from i1113.photobucket.com]


BTW, anyone seen or have a 1973 or 1974 color chip card for Commandos ?
They came separate from the brochure, available on request, and they seem rather scarce.
Rather scarce indeed...





Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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And, for amusement, we see someone suggesting this is the shade of blue that FireFlake Blue desirees should aim for.
With a 0.004" flake size.

Now I'd have said that is a distinctly dark shade of blue.
And even 0.008" flake size seems a little on the small side.
I've seen it said a mix of 0.008" and 0.015" is not unrealistic, from someone who is quite accomplished at recreating FireFlake schemes.
???

[Linked Image from accessnorton.com]

Especially compared to the MetalFlake Corp example color chip.

[Linked Image from metalflakecorp.com]


Anyone got a larger version of this ?
Don't think I've seen this before.
Quite a distinctive light blue shown - although magazine printing color matching is notoriously unreliable

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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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The colour matching on publicity photo's back in the day was achieved by including a fresh orange in the shot, then on the test print the orange on the first prints would be matched to a new live fresh orange and the printer inks were adjusted to get the 2 oranges to match. The orange was placed in an area that would be later cropped out.

Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Thats an interesting tech/trivia snippet K, thanks for that.

My scanner that I had in a past life had settings that allowed you to adjust the colour balance.
Just getting the whites to look white often hauled things roughly into line.
And those Kodak color balance cards in shot gave some accuracy - but you had to have taken the photo.

Having said that, I think its pretty obvious here that Nortons used a range of blues over the life of the FireFlake Blue era,
especially given that fibreglass gave way to painted steel. The brochures seem to show that also, so its not just dodgy colour rendering.
??

Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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I think they changed with the times. As bell bottoms faded away as a thing, the huge metal flakes also faded from the scene. We entered an age of more subdued styling cues and ended up with bikes that were black with gold lines (kind of classy) or just plain colors with some light graphics. Then the 90's came and we had "chameleon" paint. Remember that? Thankfully that didn't last long.
My neighbor had a Fireflake orange 750 that came from our local dealer who used to put apehangers, 6 inch slugs in the forks and a king/queen seat and sold the [***] out of them to mostly sailors and soldiers back from 'Nam. Oh, well, it was the chopper era, around '71 or so. I did love that color though and at the time the huge flakes looked kind of cool, especially when you'd been at the bong.
Here's my current ride. Styling cues are from the 30's generally and the Excelsior Manxman in particular.
[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]
For myself, I tend to stay with conservative styling, but as a painter I enjoy doing a metalflake job or even something mildly custom.
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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Haa ! Love your custom paint job Bill.
Oddly enough, I've got a similar scheme in the works, but for something prewar.
Not quite as illustrious as a manxman though. Only at the prelim mock-up stage thus far.
It came with it new though...

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

And I've got other bikes with plain paint schemes too.
And an Interstate tank in black'n'gold, in case I want to build a pseudo Velocette !
Oh, my old dommie came to me with a sorta metallic purple tank, so a splash of colour runs in the veins ?
Cheers !
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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Perhaps a (subsidiary) issue here is why didn't the HiRider model come with a metalflake paint job.
They only came in yellow, tangerine and black.
Why not Fireflake in blue, green, red, bronze or purple ??

A not entirely standard HiRider it would seem (its a Roadster with HiRider bits added ?)
[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Perhaps Metaflake HiRiders were a step too far ??

Just for a bit of variety, with no connection whatsoever, a JPN scheme Fastback.
(probably needs its own thread ?)
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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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I bought a somewhat crusty sidecover locally. (it was cheap, very cheap)
The 'textured' surface hints at trouble underneath that paint.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

The paint just slid off this when provoked - undercoat under the paint says that this is not factory paint.
Norton DIDN'T use undercoat that I can see anywhere.
Fresh shiny new metal let them get away with this - undercoat is for refinishing, to test the adhesion.

Never underestimate the power of rust
[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


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This seems to be a modern version of FireFlake Blue - more sparkle ??

[img]https://www.accessnorton.com/attachments/20190825_101159-jpg.14583/[/img]

[Linked Image from metalflakecorp.com]



Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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Hmmmm, 1974 brochure page - Commando 850 Roadster Mk 2 - in Pacific Blue.

The darker shade of fireflake blue that seems to keep cropping up.
And been discussed elsewhere, endlessly..



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Re: 850 FireFlake Blue
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And a paler version, seems to be associated more with the Mk 1 850 models, as here.
A flood victim, from elsewhere...

[Linked Image from forums.pelicanparts.com]

Also, a Royal Blue Fastback for 1970, said to be unrestored paint. (fibreglass).
https://www.justbikes.com.au/sites/...20-02/1582105286_img_20191128_102520.jpg

And someone on Access Norton has just bought a Mk2 850 off craiglist.
Looks like a good un...

[Linked Image from images.craigslist.org]

And one just sold on Car&Classic
[Linked Image from uploads.carandclassic.co.uk]

Could this be DogT's bike ?
[Linked Image from rideclassics.com]
[url]https://rideclassics.com/wp-content/uploads/828771.jpg[/img]


No pinstripes on the tank - a sure sign of a repaint. Dunstall type mufflers.
Someone has done a lot of work to get it that shiny.
[Linked Image from images.craigslist.org]
https://images.craigslist.org/01111_5m54NzOv6qb_1200x900.jpg

And anothery, sold from Sth Carolina.
Reversed pinstripes on the sidecover says its a repaint.
Nice bike, Dunstall mufflers and aftermarket air cleaners.
[Linked Image from cdn.bringatrailer.com]

Someone on another forum not a million miles away has shown this tank they've just had refinished.
I think thats about the most authentic refinished 850 tank I've seen in a long time ? (stray reflections notwithstanding).

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

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Originally Posted by Rohan
Someone on another forum not a million miles away has shown this tank they've just had refinished.
I think thats about the most authentic refinished 850 tank I've seen in a long time ? (stray reflections notwithstanding).

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

Glad to hear that!! smile


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