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Britbike lightning clubman repro tanks
#790437 11/18/19 12:08 pm
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Dear fellow bike enthousiasts,

I'm currently working on my 1964 lightning rocket, and I'm considering giving it more of a lightning clubman look.

Does anyone have experience with the reproduction pre-prainted LC tanks offered by British Bike Bits? Especially curious about the quality.

Any alternatives? I believe these tanks are getting pretty hard to come by..

Thanks!
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Re: Britbike lightning clubman repro tanks
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I converted a large single carb tank of unknown origin (Thunderbolt or A10?) to be able to connect to twin carbs. As you can see, I made mistakes in the placement of the fuel taps and had to change them because they were hitting the rocker box. Look closely the Burton offering and you can see the taps in two different locations which may be a problem. I made a hardwood "buck" or whatever it's called and formed the tunnels for the throttle cables out of tubing formed over the buck.

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As for re-chroming, good luck! I had to have it done twice after the first time failed and the plater went out of business. Second time was not much better.

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Those photos are helpful.
I now understand WHY those two channels are there to clear the carb cables.

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YOU SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT IF YOU USE 2 INTO ONE HEADER PIPES NON OF THE REPRODUCTIONS WILL CLEAR THE SPEEDOMETER (MAYBE IT'S THE TACHOMETER CABLE I'M NOT SURE) CABLES PROPERLY. YOU WILL NEED TO SHIELD IT FROM THE PIPE.


I APOLOGIZE FOR THE USE OF CAPS. I CAN ONLY TYPE WITH MY RIGHT HAND SO USING THE SHIFT KEY IS BEYOND MY CAPABILITES.

The Devil is in the details.

1957 BSA A10 Spitfire Scrambler (numbers matching, very correct, very nice condition)
1965 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket "Clubman" (restored)
1966 BSA A65 Spitfire MK-II (restored)
1967 BSA A65 West Coast Hornet (under restoration)
1975 Norton Commando Roadster (2100 miles)
2001 Kawasaki W650
Re: Britbike lightning clubman repro tanks
Spitfire Ken #790567 11/19/19 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Spitfire Ken
YOU SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT IF YOU USE 2 INTO ONE HEADER PIPES NON OF THE REPRODUCTIONS WILL CLEAR THE SPEEDOMETER (MAYBE IT'S THE TACHOMETER CABLE I'M NOT SURE) CABLES PROPERLY. YOU WILL NEED TO SHIELD IT FROM THE PIPE.



Your right Ken, its the Tacho it fails to clear properly and unless you have a really good quality tacho cable with shielding it will burn the cable outer.

Beautiful work Koncrete Kid!

Tobias, I haven't fitted one as I have an original, but from knowing of others that have, the quality of these reopro tanks is generally very good but most have needed lining.


Now let’s all have a beer beerchug

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71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
68’ D14 trials (undergoing transformation)

Re: Britbike lightning clubman repro tanks
Tobias #790769 11/21/19 1:23 pm
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Yes it is the Tacho cable that is very close to the exhaust pipe, JJ cables make a cable with a heat shield near the contact area that worked for me.
But l think Armours do a pipe where the left hand pipe joints the the right hand pipe lower giving much more clearance.

Was nice to see you in September Ken my friend, we will do it again ,

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OK, IF you can trust Armours to make a pipe that actually FITS.

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I understand your comment very well, l have had issues with quite a few repo parts over the years, lm in the uk and it is easier to return some rubbish from suppliers.

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Back in American colonial days, British merchants often shipped inferior products to "the colonies" because they knew it was cost-prohibitive for people living over here to return it.
Then-colonel of Virginia's militia George Washington ordered a carriage from Britain that was of such inferior quality that it soon fell apart.

Armours appears to still market it's products overseas using the same philosophy. I have experienced that problem with Armours.

Re: Britbike lightning clubman repro tanks
Ken Rowark #791774 12/01/19 6:15 pm
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Ken; I am really looking forward to it.


I APOLOGIZE FOR THE USE OF CAPS. I CAN ONLY TYPE WITH MY RIGHT HAND SO USING THE SHIFT KEY IS BEYOND MY CAPABILITES.

The Devil is in the details.

1957 BSA A10 Spitfire Scrambler (numbers matching, very correct, very nice condition)
1965 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket "Clubman" (restored)
1966 BSA A65 Spitfire MK-II (restored)
1967 BSA A65 West Coast Hornet (under restoration)
1975 Norton Commando Roadster (2100 miles)
2001 Kawasaki W650
Re: Britbike lightning clubman repro tanks
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Armours do it in UK too, accused my bike frame was wrong 😯

Re: Britbike lightning clubman repro tanks
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Originally Posted by kommando
Armours do it in UK too, accused my bike frame was wrong 😯



It’s a shame because the wall thickness of the steel and the chrome is usually really good with Armours, I just don’t get how they struggle to make a pipe that matches an original. It’s not that hard, especially if you have the proper bending equipment.


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71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
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Re: Britbike lightning clubman repro tanks
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There are a couple of problems
1) the original specification tube is no longer available
2) the pipes get bent in transit unless sent in a proper protective case


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When I made my Siamese (only a couple of years ago) I eventually found a seller (showing photos) who had thick pipe wall thickness, I took a chance but worked out fine, the bend of the pipes was substandard though, but they were twin down pipes and were going to get chopped so this didn’t matter too much. For the tight bend I sent my original left hand pipe to a pipe maker ( who was selling pipe for car exhaust on eBay) he bent one to the almost exact bend. But it did t take much modification. But it proves it can be done.

Me last career choice was exhaust fabricator so I appreciate that when bending pipe if you want a 15° bend you need to take the machine to about 18° because it will spring back a couple of degrees. But we had to make pipes and often have to follow the original makers bends so if you had the car or original pipe then this wasn’t all that difficult to do.

The armours pipes I used to have on my lightning weren’t a perfect fit from the get go. But was enough so I could use longer bolts, apply some tension to the pipe and after each decent ride out tighten the bolt a bit more. They eventually pulled into the right position. For the general quality of the pipe I’m happy to do that again.

I’m interested to know how restricted their OIF silencers are though, the pre oif were quite restrictive and knocked performance back somewhat.

Trevor, not sure how they would get bent in transit though, dented maybe but it takes a lot of effort to bend a pipe without cutting it or having pneumatic equipment.


Now let’s all have a beer beerchug

68’ A65 Lightning “clubman”
71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
68’ D14 trials (undergoing transformation)

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Trevor, how do they get 3" shorter in transit, that's how short the ill fitting Armours pipe was.

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Originally Posted by kommando
Trevor, how do they get 3" shorter in transit, that's how short the ill fitting Armours pipe was.


You can have the 5” that I had to cut off mine lol.


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68’ D14 trials (undergoing transformation)

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Originally Posted by kommando
Trevor, how do they get 3" shorter in transit, that's how short the ill fitting Armours pipe was.


Maybe they got wet & shruk laughing
I have bought pipes from Overlander down in Vistoria and they were a perfect fit
A second set ordered for another bike were all over the place, nothing linned up.
Popped in the next year and he sorted them out for me gratis
Apparently the transpot company loads stuff on top & that causes them to deform.


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Originally Posted by Allan Gill
When I made my Siamese (only a couple of years ago) I eventually found a seller (showing photos) who had thick pipe wall thickness, I took a chance but worked out fine, the bend of the pipes was substandard though, but they were twin down pipes and were going to get chopped so this didn’t matter too much. For the tight bend I sent my original left hand pipe to a pipe maker ( who was selling pipe for car exhaust on eBay) he bent one to the almost exact bend. But it did t take much modification. But it proves it can be done.

Me last career choice was exhaust fabricator so I appreciate that when bending pipe if you want a 15° bend you need to take the machine to about 18° because it will spring back a couple of degrees. But we had to make pipes and often have to follow the original makers bends so if you had the car or original pipe then this wasn’t all that difficult to do.

The armours pipes I used to have on my lightning weren’t a perfect fit from the get go. But was enough so I could use longer bolts, apply some tension to the pipe and after each decent ride out tighten the bolt a bit more. They eventually pulled into the right position. For the general quality of the pipe I’m happy to do that again.

I’m interested to know how restricted their OIF silencers are though, the pre oif were quite restrictive and knocked performance back somewhat.

Trevor, not sure how they would get bent in transit though, dented maybe but it takes a lot of effort to bend a pipe without cutting it or having pneumatic equipment.


Spend some time in an overnight freight yard & watch them loading the loose freight & you would not ask those kinds of questions.
Particularly if the carrier is charging fixed pallet rates.
Have seen a forkie put a 2 ton concrete block on the blades than drop them on a stillage so they couldget the top on.


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I understand shat your saying Trevor but surely the packaging would get crumpled in the process....

I think it’s more a case of they are made on n automatic bending instrument with values programmed in, with the same bend values put in for stainless as mild steel, and one of the metals won’t spring one of the same amounts as the other.


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Originally Posted by BSA_WM20

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Trevor, not sure how they would get bent in transit though, dented maybe but it takes a lot of effort to bend a pipe without cutting it or having pneumatic equipment.


Spend some time in an overnight freight yard & watch them loading the loose freight & you would not ask those kinds of questions.
Particularly if the carrier is charging fixed pallet rates.
Have seen a forkie put a 2 ton concrete block on the blades than drop them on a stillage so they couldget the top on.
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So that's how that bracket on my Gold Star pipe managed to be 2" off mark. And why I had to cut an inch of the header end to fit in the exhaust port to get that bracket within 2". Me thinks Trevor owns stock in Armours, haha.


Bill B...

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Depends upon how that are packed.
Overlandr wraps the pipe in tape then sticks an invoice envelope over the wrapping because they are polished stainless so they don't want them scratched.

And Bill I don't have shares in Armours.
With my financial skills , if I invested in them they would be liquidated a week after my share certificates arrived like most other things I have invested in.

Being a Collonial I tend to buy locally and Barrys pipes are the best in the business.
Down side is he only does stainless.
Up side is they are always a perfect fit.

The big trouble is actually getting him to bend them for you which can take a very long time As it is a 2 man business and more of a passtime than money making enterprise.
Stock parts are fine they arrive in a week but anything else can take a year.

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TREVOR: CAN YOU FIND OUT IF HE HAS A PATTERN OR CAN HE MAKE A CORRECT HEADER PIPES FOR A 1965 LIGHTNING CLUBMAN (2 INTO 1) ?

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1966 BSA A65 Spitfire MK-II (restored)
1967 BSA A65 West Coast Hornet (under restoration)
1975 Norton Commando Roadster (2100 miles)
2001 Kawasaki W650
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Ask him yourself.
You know exactly what you want
He does not list them speccifically, just an A65 2 into 1 so expect a reasonable wait & a one off price
Overlander
He does not haggle so don't even think about it.
Check the price list on the web page to give you a ball park figure.

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Ken,

If you get the details from Overlander please post here. I'd be interested in seeing what he offers.

Thanks
Ray


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