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Pre unit single racing bike questions. #787448 10/18/19 11:30 pm
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I am considering a new race bike project and have a couple of questions about pre unit swing arm singles I would be interested to hear people's opinions on.

One is wheel rim size. Would one build such a bike with 18 or 19 inch wheels.

The other is are b31/b33 crank cases any good for racing.

The bike I am picturing may have an iron top end running on methonol or may get alloy top end but is unlikely to get a genuine gold star engine.

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Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: jimq] #788004 10/24/19 9:10 am
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Gidday Jim,

I used to knock around the Dunedin Street race circuit during festival week. They don't run bikes anymore but when they did they ran some old Brit stuff and some early Japanese stuff. Mostly 350 and 500 Brit. Some 250 and 500 Japanese. An occasional European.

I met a bloke in the pits one year running a B33. We had a good chat.

It wasn't the prettiest bike but he had a lot of fun on it. It was in standard trim less guards and lights etc. Cafe/racer seat. Clip on bars. Original forks up front. Total loss battery ignition ( back before we had magic black boxes). He was competitive but not a winner. Had a beard as long as your arm. He raced Teretonga, Dunedin, Waimate and Levels. The whole kit went in the back of a Hiace van which he also slept in.

I think the B series cases will be fine. The bike I saw was a methanol bike, but hadn't been tuned to the edge. Just an old BSA on meth.

I think it comes down to budget and how you want to race. Race to have fun, and B31/B33 will be just fine. Race to win, you need something with the right cams, the right gear box, tyres, carbs, magic black boxes etc etc. Add in the box trailer and dancing girls and pretty soon you are too fast for the NZ racing circuit.

Just build something that suits the circuits and hill climbs near you. B series will attract attention every time you crank it up. You probably won't beat the Japanese bikes anyway so who cares what you ride. Classic racing in NZ is so small that you will end up dicing with others outside of your class. Sad but true.

Plenty of B series bits around. As for wheel size, I'd build whatever you can get for tyres. I'd rather race with good tyres, than the wrong ones on the right sized rims. Rim size is fixable with gearing and sprockets.

You've got me motivated to build my sprint/hill climb bike now.


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Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: jimq] #788009 10/24/19 10:26 am
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I run 18" in mine as theres a better choice of race tyres,b31 cases are fine , I would recommend an after market conrod though,goldie cams and b44 piston is a good combination in a b31


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Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: jimq] #788016 10/24/19 11:30 am
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The cases are more than strong enough until the 60 years old rod lets go, fit a modern rod like a Carrillo.
The crank can squirm around a bit, especially when the tapers have been apart a couple of times. If you can afford it buy a Pearson, Absaf or NEB crank.
I would recommend running on methanol, in a racing situation heat will be a problem in an Iron motor with petrol


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Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: jimq] #789195 11/04/19 11:55 pm
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Hi.

Thanks for the reply's everyone.

With this info and having spoken to a guy at a recent race meeting i am now satisfied that iron motor bottom ends are fairly robust.

The wheels i think i will make my own mind up about in time.

as this is my first foray into pre unit singles (most of my brit bike experience is in B50'S and T100Rs) I feel i really need to find a good source of information on the bikes and what modifications were made over the years so i know when buying parts what to look for and what to avoid i.e i am just trying to get my head around the "thick flange crankcase" thing now

Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: jimq] #790325 11/17/19 12:11 pm
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G'day Jim,

This is my B31 which I have been racing here in Perth for about 5 years now, though I only get to about 3 or 4 meetings a year. Sometimes less.
It is essentially standard with a few upgraded parts, carefully assembled and has been pretty reliable.
Happy to pass on any info to help another "Iron Head" racer.

I went with 18in flanged Excel rims and use Avon tyres, they are excellent.

The cases are 1958 B31, thick flange, alternator type,
Standard Crank, with Gold Star big end, I don't believe an expensive aftermarket crank is necessary for a 350.
Standard Rod, crack tested and shot peened,
650 Triumph piston, ( same bore size as B31 ), I was using standard cast ones ( cheap ), but this year I have gone to a forged one from MAP, they are the business.
I replace the piston every 1-2 years, depending on how much use it has had, BUT, I replace the Gudgeon every season, as they are only 15mm dia and have broken 1, with disastrous results.
Biggest inlet valve I could get in,
Modern style springs to prevent coil bind,
27mm AMAL Mk1 Concentric, running on Methanol
With the cast pistons I was using around 10.5: 1 compression, which was fine with the Methanol and nice and safe for starting out.
This year with forged piston, I have gone up to 12:1

Anything else I can help with, just ask,
I took up racing at 45 years, and it is the best and most exciting fun I have had, I just love it.

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Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: glenno69] #791891 12/02/19 11:11 pm
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Hi Glenno,
Reaching out to you from San Antonio Tx.
Beautiful bike you have there!
I am in the process of bringing a 48' b31 rigid back to life.
I got it from someone who knew nothing about it other than the throttle stuck open for the previous owner.
Hoping if I get stuck on something I could bug you?
I am really enjoying the process.
Kindest Regards,
Dean

Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: jimq] #791924 12/03/19 10:38 am
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G'day Dean,

No problem, ask away.
I am certainly no expert, however luckily there is a few guys here locally that help me out with advise and expertise.
Happy to help in any way I can.
I have to say, I have been lurking on the site for ages and I have picked up lots of valuable information and it's nice to be connected with other enthusiasts.
Good luck with the build.

Cheers
Glenn


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Haven't figured out how to post pics. I pulled the head and cylinder. Trans cover, primary cover, and timing cover. All looked good except the head had a crack. Looks like it might have been rebuilt at some point. I found a good head and had it rebuilt. The oil pump felt tight, cleaned it and freed it up. My thought is put it back together and see how/if it runs. Magneto has a good spark. Still need to rebuild the AMAL carb.

Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: jimq] #791989 12/03/19 10:47 pm
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Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: jimq] #791990 12/03/19 10:48 pm
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Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: dean toensing] #792002 12/03/19 11:56 pm
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Originally Posted by dean toensing



Dean,

I have fixed your URLs so that they are clickable but you cannot post images from your Google Drive here as an image...just the link. You must use a 3rd party pictures/images host such as Imgur, post images, flickr, photobucket (not preferred) or a few other sites that are out there.

Also, I believe you are infringing on the original posters thread, also known as thread hijacking and should probably start your own thread, unless you are going to race your bike and keep it relevant to the OP's query ?


Jon W.


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Re: Pre unit single racing bike questions. [Re: Jon W. Whitley] #792005 12/04/19 12:41 am
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Ok, thanks.


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