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Identify these parts?
#788713 10/31/19 7:00 pm
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There is currently a 1968 A65L being parted out on eBay, broken down to the last nut and bolt. Among the pieces for sale are a set of tins with the remains of a '70s era custom paint job. I know very little about BSA, but I think the real '68 A65L tank would have indents for the badges and a different style cap. Also, I think the fenders would have been the chrome plated "blade" type. While I don't doubt that the seller pulled these parts from a '68 Lightning, I'm curious as to what bike they originally came from. Can anybody tell me?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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[Linked Image from tr6ray.zenfolio.com]

[Linked Image from tr6ray.zenfolio.com]

[Linked Image from tr6ray.zenfolio.com]

A little tire contact under the rear fender:

[Linked Image from tr6ray.zenfolio.com]


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Re: Identify these parts?
TR6Ray #788715 10/31/19 7:43 pm
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Hi Ray, the tank and rear guard are genuine A65 from a 67 bike (least the tank is. Pre 67 had flat bottoms and post 67 tanks had the bigger badges and large flip type cap.

67 on rear guards are all similar, but comparing some originals ive had through my hands the 67 flared out more at the number plate end, the later guard kept its profile. Otherwise they were identical and also in fit.

Front guard is hard to tell. I’m not sure when the shorter nosed 4 tab guards started. The front mount looped over the guard ( like mine if you see a picture) the stay changed depending on model year and bikes country designation. The longer British guard is a 6 tab unit with individual stays and not looped. The mounts for these stays would have been welded to the guard, in any case these aren’t there or the welds broke. Another point is the tail end of the front guard is supposed to be beaded like the front.

The WDB40 front guards and I “think” (using this hot loosely) are identical to the gold star front guard. The front end is headed or rolled but the tail end of the guard is cut and not rolled etc. There are no pre mounted tabs like on the A65 but the stays are on one piece for front and rear and bolt to the guard.
From your picture this is what it looks like.

There was other guards for the US off-road models but having not seen them, I won’t presume to describe them.


HTH


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71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
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Re: Identify these parts?
TR6Ray #788717 10/31/19 7:55 pm
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Thanks Allan,

You made quick work of this question! I appreciate the analysis.

So, if that is a 1967 tank, would it originally have been chrome plated? How would the badges have been attached? Maybe they were smaller than the '68 badges and didn't require indented areas in the sides of the tank? Would there have been threaded screw holes (perhaps filled in on the tank in the pictures).

Ray

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Re: Identify these parts?
TR6Ray #788768 11/01/19 1:17 pm
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Your welcome,

the tank would have impressions for a single screw badge in the tank (see if this works) link to image. Its hightly likely that the badge impressions have been filled, the fact that the paint has bonded better in that area backs this up.

Im not sure how Triumph did theirs but the BSA tanks have something which resembles a riv-nut inside the tank, im sure there is more to it than that, as they don't tend to leak around this area.


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68’ A65 Lightning “clubman”
71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
68’ D14 trials (undergoing transformation)

Re: Identify these parts?
Allan G #788787 11/01/19 4:02 pm
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O.K., Allan, that makes sense to me now. I was looking too high on the side of the tank for the badge impressions and I was seeing only bare steel. Just like the grass grows greener over the sceptic tank, I guess the paint sticks better over the old bondo. Here's a picture of the same situation on the RH side of the tank:

[Linked Image from tr6ray.zenfolio.com]

For comparison, here's a grab from that '67 A65 in the link you posted:

[Linked Image from tr6ray.zenfolio.com]

I must say that the red/chrome tank is nicer to look at. Still, the eBay one might be good for a rider, once the old paint was stripped off and some new sprayed on.

Thanks again for your help.


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Re: Identify these parts?
TR6Ray #788797 11/01/19 4:44 pm
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I have a couple of "scappy" tanks which would not be worth in my opinion making nice, but if I decided to ship a bike then they would get a nice coat of paint and fitted to the bike.

Good editing on the pics, I lost the will after photobucket saw it arse, never had the urge or desire to post many pics since, sunsequently also posting a lot less. The UBB upload tool is good but I have to upload images to the pc, change its file type and resize so they can be uploaded. When I spend a lot of time away from a computer and do most forum work on my phone (same device i take photos with) it makes it harder and you "loose the thread" when trying to add pictures several days after a post has been made and your back on a PC again.


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68’ A65 Lightning “clubman”
71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
68’ D14 trials (undergoing transformation)

Re: Identify these parts?
TR6Ray #788880 11/02/19 9:38 am
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I find it rather amusing that people expect a 60 year old bike to be wearing all of the parts that it left the factory with.
This of cours excludes bikes that were placed into storage the day they were bought so never did a mile on a road where they could have fallen over , been run into or just crashed requiring new parts to be fitted.
Most BSA tanks could be obtained without any plastic badges and this was the case for competition bikes where the badges would have to be either lockwired or removd before it was allowed on the track.
Then there were contracts where the police wanted plain tanks with no chrome & decals .
Not all bikes that left the BSA factory were as depicted in the glossy brochures, a point that the AHMA pig headedly refuse to acknowledge.
There were lots of bits & pieces that were dealer specific , particularly on West Coast bikes where the different parts are only to be found in dealer notices.


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Re: Identify these parts?
TR6Ray #788883 11/02/19 10:25 am
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To be fair Trevor, I don’t think anyone is expecting a bike to be exactly as a catalogue depicts 60 years after its year of manufacture.

I believe Rays question is asking where these bits would have original come from. It’s likely that they would have come off an early model 68 and been left over parts fitted to clear the stocks. But it’s not uncommon for people to rebuild a bike to the appearance of the catalogue and parts book images as these tend to be the best commonly available references.


Now let’s all have a beer beerchug

68’ A65 Lightning “clubman”
71’ A65 823 Thunderbolt (undergoing restoration)
67’ D10 sportsman (undergoing restoration)
68’ D14 trials (undergoing transformation)


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