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Help Me Identify this Bike/Components #787410 10/18/19 5:40 pm
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Hello Everyone. Morgan suggested I give this forum a shot so here goes.

Long story short, my father passed away a few weeks ago. As I was going through an old chest looking for pictures of him for the memorial service I came across several pictures of him on his BSA Motorcycle. He had mentioned it before and I recalled seeing pictures of it when I was younger but it had been 40 or more years since I had seen those.

While the bike itself was sold long before I was born, I'm kicking around the idea of recreating the bike as close to what you can see in the pictures as I can get. All I have to go off of are the two pictures. From what Morgan and few other folks have said, the core bike seems to be an A10 Spitfire Scrambler, year unknown. Other than that, to me, it looks like the bike is made up of parts from several different BSA bikes over different years. For example, I can't identify the tank as I've never seen that BSA emblem before. Also, the exhaust routing is different than what I've been able to find online, I can't identify the year or bike the rear fender came from and the higher handlebars are a mystery as well.

My best guess on the year of the picture would be 1956 to 1962 which puts my father between the ages of 18 & 24.

Any input you guys can give me would be great. Again, I'm simply looking to recreate the bike as closely as possible. I think my father would get a kick out of knowing I stumbled across his old pictures and took the time to put together a bike in his memory.

Update: Please share this with anyone that you believe can help me with this. Candidly, I do not know much of anything about BSA bikes and getting the bike as close to the images is important to me.

Thanks so much everyone.

Best,

Shayne

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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787426 10/18/19 7:12 pm
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My guess is that it an A7/A10 scrambler with all the main bits correct, The frame, engine, wheels, tanks, rear fender (now bobbed) and the cover at the top of the forks (no headlight ears) all seem correct. Only the seat and lights are not stock looking. The tank BSA crossed rifles badge is pretty standard for the 2 gal scrambles tank when not on the Gold Star single. There appears to be a dynamo but that would have easily been added with the lighting kit available back then. US folks should be able to date the car in the background to give you a starting point for dating the photo.

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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787427 10/18/19 7:18 pm
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To start the car in the background appears to be a 1959 Ford Fairlane.
The tank badges were used on A10 for 58 and 59.The tank is a small scrambler tank.
The front wheel has the full width cast iron hub with single leading
brake with aluminum back plate ,also used 58 and 59 ,maybe further.
The fork shrouds in chrome were used on the scramblers ,these have a "Bates" (I think)
after market headlight and attachment brackets as they were supplied from BSA without headlight attachments .
The frame has no rear footpeg loops which points it towards a scrambler as stated by Morgan.
The solo seat also appears to be a "Bates".The tail light was the funky thing used I believe from the mid 50's to early 60's.Friends have showed me pics of their first bikes in the 50's and they also had fitted this aftermarket tail light,which I believe you can still get today,they had a polished aluminum body.
The rear fender is a bobbed A10, with BSA side attach struts.All for now .I'm sure others will join in .
Great picture to have ,your dad had a very cool machine.

Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787449 10/18/19 11:53 pm
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The last year for the cable brake frame Spitfire Scrambler was '61 and had the new star badges. I believe the stacked rifle badge was used on the scramblers up to '60. The pipes, seat, and lights were all available in the US market BSA accessory catalog. The bars are the BSA "Western" with what I think is a faint glimpse of the cable guide on left side bar riser. The tank almost looks new so I'm going to venture a guess that it is a '60 model, possible a '59.



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Wait a minute, I take that all back. I saw the full width hub on the front and assumed it was the cable brake frame but on looking closer I see a rod brake in the back. The last year for a rod brake on the A10 scramblers was '57 and they had the 8" single sided front brake with the through axle, this has the '58 and later front forks and wheel. I'm now thinking it's a '57 that may have had a front end shunt and hence the newer forks wheel and a new looking tank.



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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787456 10/19/19 12:45 am
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The Ford Fairlane in the picture could be a '57.

Oh...yes, very cool bike. Also quite rare; coming up with one will be a tall order, but the effort will be well worthwhile!


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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787459 10/19/19 1:32 am
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2nd on '57 ford.


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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787505 10/19/19 4:59 pm
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3rd on the Ford. My dad had one. One of my favorite year Fords

Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787516 10/19/19 7:51 pm
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Foot pegs ???
He was a Dashing Young Man!!


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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787536 10/20/19 12:05 am
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Welcome to the forum Shayne...you definitely came to the right place. BTW, my sisters name is Shayne, so cool name !

On that note, this has got to be one of the best, if not the best, period photos of a guy and his classic British bike from that time period that I can ever remember seeing !!


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1968 T100R Daytona 500
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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787544 10/20/19 2:08 am
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I think Boomer is on to something. The front end is definitely 59 to 63. The fork boots and upper covers were introduced for the 1959 model year. The exhaust pipes are MCM or possibly Superior.
Bates seat and headlamp. The tires look to be Pirelli MT53. I'll check to see when these were introduced.
Make it look just like this. It's way cooler than stock.

Was this photo taken in San Antonio? If so, what part?


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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: BritTwit] #787583 10/20/19 1:59 pm
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Hy Shayne
Welcome on the board.
The taillight on your dads bike is called Sparto. It is a kind of an iconic item for bobbers and still cool on the right bikes. Originals are quite pricey but you can get reproduction stuff for a nice price.
Wish you well for your project.
Dieter

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By the way...
Cant see it on the pics, but from '58 on the engine should have an alloy head.
A 10s are good stuff...

Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787642 10/20/19 11:04 pm
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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Gordo in Comox] #787716 10/21/19 4:45 pm
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Thanks Gordo. I'm compiling the notes and appreciate your input!

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Great info Bill. I might PM you a few more questions. Let me get through the rest of the comments and compile a list.

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Originally Posted by Jon W. Whitley
Welcome to the forum Shayne...you definitely came to the right place. BTW, my sisters name is Shayne, so cool name !

On that note, this has got to be one of the best, if not the best, period photos of a guy and his classic British bike from that time period that I can ever remember seeing !!


Thanks Jon. He was a good guy. A pretty good combination of that Clint Eastwood "cool" and Marlboro man "tough". Hopefully, I can pull this bike together and have something similar to ride around from time to time. Tell your sister that Shayne in San Antonio says Hi!

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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: BritTwit] #787719 10/21/19 4:53 pm
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Originally Posted by BritTwit
I think Boomer is on to something. The front end is definitely 59 to 63. The fork boots and upper covers were introduced for the 1959 model year. The exhaust pipes are MCM or possibly Superior.
Bates seat and headlamp. The tires look to be Pirelli MT53. I'll check to see when these were introduced.
Make it look just like this. It's way cooler than stock.

Was this photo taken in San Antonio? If so, what part?


Thanks BritTwit. The photo was likely taken in San Angelo, TX. I found another photo yesterday that isn't as clear that I'll upload today. I'm pretty sure it was taken in the driveway of the house I grew up in. Any other input you guys can get me that will help is appreciated. Share with anyone you feel can provide more details. Thanks again.

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I sent a pm but I’ll post here also, I believe my project has everything you need to recreate that bike in picture except the handlebars,exhaust and lights. I will be back in San Diego next week and send you pictures of what I have.you have come to the right place, britbike is a great resource and you are welcome to share the pictures of what I have with the group. I think we all have high hopes for your project!

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in my opinion the car looks to be a 1961 or 62 Chevy Impala convertible.

Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #787897 10/23/19 5:11 am
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the Ford is a '57. remote chance it is a 59... have to see the headlights to be sure

Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #788137 10/25/19 3:25 pm
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Hello again everyone.

Here is what I have compiled so far from the input above.

A10S Spitfire Scrambler 1957 late model or maybe 1958-1959 frame.
2 Gallon tank with stacked Rifles Badge
A10 Engine with Dynamo?
Lighting kit?
Rear fender Bobbed A10 with BSA side struts
Sparto Tail light
Bates seat?
Bates front light?
BSA Western handlebars
Exhaust MCM or Superior
Tires Pirelli MT53
Forks and Fork Boots and Upper Cover probably 59.
Full width front brake 8” used 58 on

What other things do I need to consider here?

Also, I have no idea what color the tank or the rear fender on this bike would be. The rear fender obviously isn't chrome so what color would that be? Painted silver?

What colors did the gas tanks come in for these years? The tone of blacks in the image make me think the tank is also black and chrome.

On that rear fender, exactly what fender do I need to locate and bob? None of the bobbed fenders I have seen look like this and the BSA fenders I have seen with the side struts sit WAY over the back wheel.

Thanks again for the help guys. As I start to work through this project, I'll create a build thread and keep everyone in the loop as to how it's going. Until then, more input and answers from the group are certainly appreciated.

Thank you.

S.

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Shayne: This is the type of tank badge shown in your photos.

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I would think that the rear fender could be aluminum. The are holes in it that might help you figure it out. If you are going to recreate the bike you will need to look at the way the fender is mounted as it is not stock. The L shaped fender stay is mounted higher than normal and maybe without the mounting bracket that normally connects it to the frame. The photos below are a quick mock up to show you the normal mounting for comparison. The mounting in your photos could be a mixture of bits and not one of the L type brackets common to those machines.

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Re: Help Me Identify this Bike/Components [Re: Shayne Brown] #788156 10/25/19 7:44 pm
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Saved the pic of your dad on that beautiful bike!


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Hi All,
It looks to me that the oil tank is a different colour to the frame? so the gas tank centre would match the oil tank and toolbox
So probably flamboyant red ?? Blue tank bikes seem to have black oil tanks (from a quick googling)

John

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