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5TA 16 inch wheels
#783249 09/02/19 2:28 am
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My mate bought a 1966 5TA in what looks to be unmolested condition. It was imported to Australia from Malta and has been stored for many years.
It seems the original colour was red, not Amaranth Red, more of a post box red and it has 16 inch wheels.(LATE EDIT CORRECTION: It has 17" wheels, not 16")
We are told it was a military model so the colour has probably been changed, perhaps when it was "civilianised"
Does anyone know if the wheel size would be original?
Would anyone know of this model, is there anything else anyone can tell me please?
I've had a good search on the internet and in this forum's archives but no luck to far.
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Greg

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Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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Hi, those speed twins from the mid 60s were two colors on the tank (Black and Silver) the rest was Black.
The rear rims were 18.

Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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Hers a link to one on a stamp, looks to be 18" wheels and on another link its black. Could yours have been used by the post office? get a dating certificate from the owners club....

https://www.maltaphilately.com/en/products/product/s0708l050?returnurl=%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fpage1%2Fstmps%3Fpage%3D46%26clear%3Dtrue


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Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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Thanks.
I am guessing since the bike in question was an export model and was made for the military that it may have been changed from standard domestic market specification to suit the order.
I was hoping someone might know about this.
Cheers.

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tiger_cub #783275 09/02/19 12:53 pm
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tiger_cub, it may be that the story about this bike being supplied to the military on Malta may have become confused with supply to the Postal Service there.
Anything is possible 53 years after the event, but thanks for your suggestion.

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Just a little bit of info that may (or may not!) help in this matter.
The 1959/60 5TAs etc had 17" wheels.
Then they changed to 18" wheels.
Not sure of the change point but I am restoring a 1965 T100SR. The specs for this are for 18" wheels.
However when I got the bike (a real barn find!) it had 17" wheels.
Puzzled I did some research and found a footnote in the 1965 brochure that although the standard spec was 18" wheels the bike could also be supplied from the factory with 17" wheels "for people with short legs or females" or words to that effect. No political correctness in those days!
So it seems that Triumph played it pretty loose in the mid 60s with wheel sizes.
So IMHO very possible that 16" wheels might have been supplied for a corporate customer such as a Post Office or a branch of the Armed Services.
HTH.

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Tridentman #783398 09/04/19 3:01 am
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Tridentman, thank you.
I got back to my friend and questioned the wheel sizes he told me his bike had.
Argh!!! He checked and found they are indeed 17" not 16" as he originally told me.
His engine number checks for 1966, in fact 19% of the way through that H40528-H49832 year group.

So it seems from your findings his bike is not particularly peculiar, even though it was built several years after the 59/66 period where 17s were fitted...and your 1965 also shows that they indeed play it "pretty loose" haha.

The guy he bought it from owned it when he lived in Malta and brought it with him many years ago when he emigrated to Australia. His story that it was ex-military is probably correct because he bought it from some dealer who was selling a few of them at the time. I've no idea if all the machines on offer at the time were red, but it is an odd colour for a military bike and much more likely to be PO red in my opinion!

Thank you very much for your help, I am sure my friend will be happier with this knowledge.
Cheers!

Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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Man, the color choice from the factory is the one that I mentioned, not Red. Here a buddy s 64 have 18"

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reverb, and others,
It seems that anything was possible in the sixties haha.
No, seriously, I had this site recommended to me and if you read under "Factory Colour Schemes 1957-1972" the 5TA was available, variously through the years, often with cycle parts and frame having a different combination of colours.

https://www.triumph-tiger-90.com/index.shtml#factorycolourschemes

The website states:
The colour schemes detailed below are taken from Official Factory Sources, please note that they apply to standard models, Home and Export. It does not cover the various Military, Police and any machines specially ordered, these can and do differ from standard.
Additionally I have come across inaccuracies in the Brochures and Publicity material and over the intervening years numerous myths have arisen….."
You can read his credentials on the website, but I'd say he is probably as good as anyone could find....fingers crossed.

The colours for eachy ear are as follows:
1958 Amaranth Red Frame and Cycle Parts
1959 Amaranth Red Frame and Cycle Parts
1960 Ruby Red Frame and Cycle Parts, Black Cylinder Fins
1961 Ruby Red Frame and Cycle Parts, Black Cylinder Fins
1962 Ruby Red Frame and Cycle Parts, Black Cylinder Fins
1963 Ruby Red Cycle Parts, Black Frame
1964 Black over Silver Sheen, Black Frame, Black Cylinder Fins
1965 Gloss Black over Silver Sheen, Black Frame, Black Cylinder Fins
1966 Black over Silver Sheen, Black Frame, Black Cylinder Fins

I am guessing by my friend's bike is probably Ruby Red, as it is much brighter than Amaranth Red for certain. However, for 1966 (from its engine number) it should be Black!
So, who knows.
All I can do is pass on what I have learnt here and elsewhere and he can please himself, just as Triumph seemed to do haha.

Cheers and Thanks to all.
Greg

Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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...you mentioned 1966 model and as you see is the color scheme that I mentioned. There is no Red tank also you can see clearly if is the original paint (if it were) due to the type of paint and of course no clear on top.

Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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What part of it makes you think it is a ‘66? Old rego or frame/engine numbers?

Frame and engine number should match if it is original 5TA.

It might be earlier and in correct colour but not registered until ‘66.

It might be truly ‘66 but repainted back in the day to match an order. Or it could be left over parts cobbled together at the factory. The T100R came out in ‘67 so it might be one of those bikes that got some left over parts and tiny wheels bolted into it.


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Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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Ginge,
As I stated in one of the replies earlier, the "engine number checks for 1966, in fact 19% of the way through that H40528-H49832 year group"
So I know it is 1966, the frame number is matching too.

I also posted a link to an excellent site with a lot of good info on Triumph models and how they left the factory in that era. Yes, anything is possible....and it seems that there was more than one instance of wheel sizes being "incorrect" in a particular year. https://www.triumph-tiger-90.com/index.shtml#factorycolourschemes

Have a read through the other replies and comments....especially from Tridentman

Since there are documented variations to the "standard specification" for a particular year, we are fairly happy that the bike as it stands probably is just how it left the factory, after all, it was for export to Malta and reportedly for the military, perhaps they wanted to be visible!...haha. So all is well.

Thanks to everyone for their help.
Cheers,
Greg

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Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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Maybe the people on Malta have really short legs?

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Maybe the people on Malta have really short legs?


I’m just back from there and the locals are not all that tall.


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Re: 5TA 16 inch wheels
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...Mediterranean gals are very pretty due to the mix of ethnicity over Centuries.


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