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Side stand lug #782875 08/28/19 3:33 pm
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Does anyone know what angle the side stand lug is to the vertical? I am putting a new lug on to a frame that either didn't have one from the beginning or have lost it during the years. Either way it nice to have a side stand but I want it to be positioned right.
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Re: Side stand lug [Re: Lennart L] #782896 08/28/19 7:30 pm
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Hi Lennart my 1956 goldid has not got the lug and i dont think it ever did .
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my 55 has one but its bolted on.
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Re: Side stand lug [Re: Lennart L] #782963 08/29/19 5:18 am
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It is correct that all the Gold Stars didn't have a side stand but I think the later ones did. The stand was such that a fixed half-lug was brazed on the inner side of the frame tube and a separate half-lug carrying the actual stand was bolted on from the outside, exactly as in the picture of ducati2242┬Ęs bike.
So the question is what angle does the stand have against the vertical?

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Morning, Lennart,

Some frames, such as my Catalina frame, either never had a brazed-on lug (or even a half lug), or had it removed along the way. Presumably you're going to braze on the half lug, and bolt up the stand. I, too, intend to put on a stand in this way, and the question for you is, where did you get your stand?

I wonder has anyone found a source for a decent bolt on side stand?


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Re: Side stand lug [Re: Lennart L] #782989 08/29/19 1:30 pm
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Side stand kinda handy, though, depending of the 'fit' of the stand on the lug, the resultant static lean angle can be something that needs watching.

Personally, I always found they just drag on the ground!

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Re: Side stand lug [Re: Lennart L] #782993 08/29/19 3:01 pm
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cheers . I have remade a few side stands for my gold star by cutting down a later poss A65 same forgning to the right length cut out a new foot pear shape and weld on. the harder part is to find the two lugs 42-4778 . you can use aftermarket parts from stand like WEN but a older one made in UK make sure that it the right size for the frame tube 1 1/8'' Just grind off the pivot pin then give the aftermarket side stand leg to the chopper guy's .As for the angle if you can get someone to check across the two lower tubes and down the side stand you then have it. when done it will look and work like OEM hunter

Re: Side stand lug [Re: ducati2242] #783036 08/30/19 1:17 am
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Originally Posted by ducati2242
my 55 has one but its bolted on.
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I think you will find that the backside lug, the part that the arm and it's lug bolts to, is welded to the frame tube on the inner side of the frame tube.
At least it was on mine.
The picture of the frame in the BMS parts list shows the inner part of the stand clamp lug as a part of the frame, with no number listed for it, meaning that it was not a separate part.
You might call Baxter and ask them, they seem to be helpful on parts that are not normally listed. The part 42-4778 that Hunter gave comes up as the leg it's self, not the lug with the pivot arm tongue on it. So ask Baxter if they can supply two of those, clamp them on, weld the inner one to the frame after you cut the tongue off and figure out where you want it.
I don't think that just clamping it to the frame will work, and I would hate to have you come back out from the coffee shop and see the side of the tank munched because the clamp slipped.

Hope you find something.

Re: Side stand lug [Re: Jerry Roy] #783037 08/30/19 3:02 am
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Update.

Dragonfly Motorcycle parts has part # 42-4769.
You will need to buy two, and rob the clamping bracket from one, cut off it's ear, and use it for the inner piece.

Re: Side stand lug [Re: Lennart L] #783064 08/30/19 4:24 pm
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When I had my A10 the half lug was broken.
I re designed the side stand arrangement using a long Triumph stand, I cut out a bracket from 10mm steel, it was like a wide T shape with the short upright leg bent outward. The stand pivoted on the short leg, the ends of the Horizontal part of the T mounted to the engine plate to frame bolt and the lower gearbox bolt. The stand folded up inside the frame tube and the end was under the pillion subframe easily accessible


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Re: Side stand lug [Re: Jerry Roy] #783084 08/30/19 8:05 pm
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I should have remembered that . I did strip it completely before powder coating everything and I can now remember cleaning off said powder coat before the second half would fit . Never mind the older I get the more I forget . Still a first kick starter , even after 5 months sitting , so must have got it right .

Re: Side stand lug [Re: Lennart L] #783128 08/31/19 5:41 am
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With the help from Don P we have been able to establish the correct angle to 50 degrees. This means that the side stand have an angle of 50 degrees to a vertical line. I had trouble in buying the half-lug as it seems it just isn't obtainable anywhere in the worls so I ended up making a couple from scratch.

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This is what I was trying to explain [Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]20190830_133254 by Sigma Projects, on Flickr


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I envy you guys. All you all computer wizards? I have been trying to attach a a picture to my post without sucess and you seem to be doing it all the time.

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That's cute Andy.

How did you bend the ear, blue wrench (torch), or a press?
Or some fabricators secret that you don't want to divulge? facepalm

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Originally Posted by Lennart L
I envy you guys. All you all computer wizards? I have been trying to attach a a picture to my post without sucess and you seem to be doing it all the time.

Go back to the main forum menu.
There are instructions for adding photos.
Unless you are a piaid member you have to use a third party Hosting site like photobucket or imager etc
If you are a paid member you can upload directly from your computer.


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I went back to my frame and it made a fool of me. The side stand lug is, indeed, welded there, apparently as it left the factory, June 26, 1959.

Now all I have to do is find a stand to fit, when the time comes.


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I warmed it up with a propane torch to red heat, put the long bit in the vice and twatted the short bit with a lump hammer


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Re: Side stand lug [Re: NYBSAGUY] #783466 09/04/19 9:31 pm
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Originally Posted by NYBSAGUY


Now all I have to do is find a stand to fit, when the time comes.



In Andy's blacksmithing vein, (Thanks, Andy), and a bad pun, strike while the pound is down.

https://www.draganfly.co.uk/triumph...1-side-stand-assembly/category_pathway-2

The picture shows what looks like a forged arm, like the OEM part.


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