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A65 OIF kick start lever #780291 08/01/19 8:07 pm
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Would someone please tell me what is the difference between an A65 pre-OIF kick start lever, (and presumably kick start quadrant), and OIF ones?


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780294 08/01/19 8:29 pm
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Apart from the levers look different, the cotter pin doesn’t sit as deep into the quadrant shaft on the OIF, also the OIF quadrants are longer.


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780350 08/02/19 9:32 am
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The OIF lever is the same as 71 on triumphs. if you want to fit a pre OIF lever to an OIF KS spindle then the spindle flat needs to be ground slightly deeper otherwise the cotter will not fully enter. i did this so I could fit the LC cranked style lever and gain some leg room for rearsets.


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780353 08/02/19 9:50 am
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If the quadrant is toast, you can press the quadrant off the old shaft and use it on a late one.
As Allan says, the late shaft is about 3/16 longer.

Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: gavin eisler] #780356 08/02/19 11:00 am
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Thanks all.

That's what I want to do Gavin.


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780361 08/02/19 12:19 pm
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If you are canny about how you grind the flat you can win a little more leg room by taking more off the front than the rear. i used a small stone on a dremel , once the old bruising was dressed clean ,and with repeated test fits it went in just right. The kick shaft needs to be pre rotated a touch by pulling in the clutch to get a good clean kick.


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: gavin eisler] #780363 08/02/19 2:33 pm
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Unfortunately somebody has already been there and done that!


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780366 08/02/19 3:57 pm
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Did you bend your lever as well Gavin?

Peter, Unless you have an OIF bike, your best using the correct quadrant for the matching lever.


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780369 08/02/19 6:07 pm
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My original OIF kick lever was bent and cranked circa 1986, also crashed ,, welded rechromed, recrashed, then eventually declared beyond repair when sent off to be re rechromed and found cracked around the old weld repair, it had also bent in slightly and was denting the silencer, it only lasted 30 years like that.. Replaced with a new LC lever from SRM , top quality, top price as well! its still not ideal but a lot better than the stock lever which wanted to bite my shin bone. One day I will fit a trials type folding rest, until then the LC kick lever will do .


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780375 08/02/19 7:59 pm
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I agree on the SRM levers, they are top quality. I've bent two now, one I bent like the factory LC's and then second one I bent nearer to the knuckle. That way it clears my knee/shin much better, but like you say you need to engage the quadrant by pulling the clutch in first. But this isnt as it stops the chance of the teeth getting mashed up.


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780432 08/03/19 3:54 pm
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For the Triumph twin/triple I made a new kickstart shaft that adapts the XR400 lever. Most all dirt bike levers swing in at the bottom so are out of the way compared to British levers.
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Unfortunately the supply of XR400 levers has almost dried up.
The same could be done for the A65 if there were interest. Since around 2016 dirt bikes have been converting to electric start so the availability to source levers are limited to older bikes. Tusk makes forged 7075 levers which might be a good source.

Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: NickL] #780799 08/07/19 11:16 am
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Thanks for the replies. I have the later quadrant, but someone has attacked the cotter pin grove with a grinder to make it deeper. If the later shaft is longer than the earlier one, where is it longer?


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780802 08/07/19 11:41 am
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Is all equal inside the motor - has to be! But the shaft is longer in the fact it pushes the kickstart lever further away from the engine. OIF types are easier available and I myself have done the same as your PO to get it to work, tbh it is barely noticeable in difference.

If it’s a good job I would keep it as is.


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780803 08/07/19 11:46 am
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/fshmn7khfbu2j59/P1000786.JPG?dl=0

To weld and grind the cotter pin keyway on the shaft to your preferred angle (picture) is maybe the easiest (and cheapest) way and the original lever can be used.


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Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780806 08/07/19 12:26 pm
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Or get a cotter pin that has no flat and file the smallest flat on that allows you to engage the flat on the shaft.

Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: kommando] #780818 08/07/19 2:42 pm
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Perhaps I should explain. I've moved the footrests back slightly behind where the (OIF) footrest was mounted, and the kick start now interferes with my leg. I'm am trying to get a folding one to fit, like the one in Dave Madigan's picture above. I'm using a Yamaha XS650 lever, machine out the splines to 3/4", and drill to fit a cotter pin. Voilà!..........Maybe!


1971 BSA A65 Lightning "Bitsa"
1966 BSA A65 "Beezuki" with GT550 two-stroke engine
1974 Triumph T150 830cc
1975 Suzuki GT550
1975 Laverda 1000 3C
1986 Yamaha SRX 600 X 2
Re: A65 OIF kick start lever [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #780843 08/07/19 7:31 pm
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I ended up relocating the footrest mount, I tried the web that the stock footrests mount to, ran like that for years, eventually moved it back about another 2 " that helped a lot, major frame surgery was needed.


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