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bullet crimping tools #779816 07/27/19 3:59 am
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I'm finding that there are two types: The correct hexagonal crimper, which is fairly expensive (and which everyone seems to have on backorder from the manufacturer), and another type that merely puts two flat sides on the terminal, considerably less expensive, and available from a couple of sources. One of those sources showed a picture of the terminal after crimping, and it looked good - and of course they claim that the crimps are effective. Has anyone tried one of these less expensive crimpers?


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Re: bullet crimping tools [Re: Mark Z] #779819 07/27/19 5:35 am
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They might be effective but how long? That said lucar connectors (the red/blue/yellow terminals) use a similar crimp although they crimp twice, never give a problem if done properly. I use Japanese style bullets when doing my bike they are much better and use less space. However I have the hexagonal crimp for when I have made harnesses for anyone who wanted the original style bullets.


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The expression often used 'buy the best tools you can afford' springs to mind. That said, I always considered this rubbish. If you can afford the cheap tool today you may as well wait till tomorrow to buy the expensive one. The hexagonal ratchet crimping tool whilst expensive makes up for it in job satisfaction.

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Re: bullet crimping tools [Re: Allan Gill] #779829 07/27/19 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by Allan Gill
I use Japanese style bullets when doing my bike they are much better and use less space.


What he said!

I have the proper hex crimp and even using that the crimps are not a patch on the Japanese ones. I have never had a problem with a Japanese one but have had problems with the other type.

Unless you are a slave to originality then go Japanese.

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Got a link to the japanese ones?


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Hot solder works for me.

Re: bullet crimping tools [Re: Mark Z] #779841 07/27/19 2:20 pm
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I use solder too, been doing it for 40 years and never had a failure, cut the insulation long enough so a bit of the bare copper wire sticks out the top and solder at the top so it feeds into the hole. Like a cable nipple the bead of solder on top is bigger than the hole and cannot be pulled through.

Re: bullet crimping tools [Re: Mark Z] #779843 07/27/19 2:39 pm
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I did my BSA with solder-on bullets and found it problematic. I won't go into detail on that, but I really want to go with the crimp-ons this time around. (I/m wiring a TR5T.)

I'd also like more information (link?) on the Japanese stuff.


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Re: bullet crimping tools [Re: Mark Z] #779855 07/27/19 4:37 pm
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We finally have the Hex Lucas Crimping tools back in stock - and price dropped $5 to boot!
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While tempting to spend less for the 2 sided type crimping tool, they just don't work well, at least not the ones we've tested. Soldering is always an option if you have more time than money.

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Originally Posted by wadeschields
Got a link to the japanese ones?

There was a link to Vehicle Wiring Products already posted which are good but I prefer Kojaycat. They do all the standard stuff but they also do a lot of OE Japanese stuff too.

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https://kojaycat.co.uk/

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I use solder too


Since having failures on hex crimp bullets I too now solder them but even soldered ones are still not a patch on the Japanese ones. In my opinion.

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The way Kommando does the solder job is the way I do it as well.

Re: bullet crimping tools [Re: Mark Z] #779871 07/27/19 8:30 pm
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I normally use Auto electrical supplies for all my wiring, switches, non shrink and shrink sleeving etc etc. If they don’t have it I go to vehicle wiring products.

As well as the Japanese bullets I use thin wall cable where possible, it’s more flexible, smaller size compared to its standard PVC equivalent so you can use a high amp carrying wire and still not be as thick of a wire as a standard loom, but gain from higher load capacity.

Just a note for the bullets, you also buy the “boots” too, this keeps any moisture out.


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Originally Posted by wadeschields
Got a link to the japanese ones?


http://www.vintageconnections.com/Products/Terminals
http://oregonmotorcycleparts.com/connectors.html

Good stuff. You still need a proper crimping tool, but the tool is a whole lot less expensive.


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Re: bullet crimping tools [Re: Mark Z] #779904 07/28/19 11:45 am
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I have the good 5 sided bullet crispers. Good tool that does a good job.

But gotta say, I tried the Japanese style connectors. Got the crimpers. And this has become my preferred way of wiring a motorcycle. Vintage Connections has been my go to for replacements.


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Re: bullet crimping tools [Re: Mark Z] #779953 07/29/19 3:55 am
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I checked out Vintage Connections. I'm going to look deeper into the Japanese stuff. Well-laid out website. And they're in the U.S.


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All the Lucas bullet connectors I have seen aren't hex crimped. I use this tool ,tt85, and it gives a solid original looking crimp.

http://www.britishwiring.com/Tools-s/42.htm

Maybe you all are talking about different connectors.


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Originally Posted by Beach
All the Lucas bullet connectors I have seen aren't hex crimped. I use this tool ,tt85, and it gives a solid original looking crimp.

http://www.britishwiring.com/Tools-s/42.htm

Maybe you all are talking about different connectors.


Looks like the exact same tool that I was talking about. The crimp looks hexagonal to me. (see below)

My previous comments apply as far as my experience goes.

Here is my tool.

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Even advertised as hexagonal crimp.... Mine are also the same.


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Omg.. Never noticed the hex. It works great. I always put on bullet and crimped, knowing it was secure. Thanks for clarifying.

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Also, until I did that close up I hadn't realised that they are endorsed by the NBA!

Maybe the Japanese ones are endorsed by the NFL?

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The hexagonal crimper has always worked quite well for me. What is the advantage that Allan and Rich find with the Japanese system?

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Did mention it earlier but they take up less space for one (handy in headlight buckets or where there are many connections in one place) they are also waterproof as both sides of the silicone dust boot virtually seas against itself, they also grip much tighter to its female pair. Also they cost a lot less as does the tool for fitting them. On a personal note I also think they look smarter.


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In addition there are more types of terminals which help to make your loom appear more uniform and place wires at better angles. Flag terminals etc. The spades are also virtually identical to the ones Lucas used.


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If I'm looking at the right pictures, it looks like the Japanese bullets are open before crimping, and they have two pairs of "teeth", one for the wire and one for the insulation. I'm assuming that the crimping tool crimps both sets of "teeth" (I don't know what else to call them) at the same time. I see this as a good thing, whereas I think the British ones just crimp on the wire, is that correct?

Yes, I'm going to be wiring a TR5T, which has a 5.5" headlamp (i.e., not much room in there for wiring), so smaller is better.


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