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Talk About your Liquid Gold! #776241
06/12/19 3:24 pm
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Just had a moment that reminded me of Shaun's phrase "liquid gold". Went to get 5 gallons of ethanol free gasoline for my mower and yard equipment. The one place ti get it nearby is currently charging 4.00 USD a gallon! Way more expensive than even our diesel, which is way more expensive than regular gasoline with ~15% ethanol. I think the regular was about 2.69 USD, whereas the Ethanol Free is at 3.99 USD!

Liquid Gold indeed! mad

(I know our English and Euro chums will scoff at this but..... )


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776247
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Normally 91-94 octane non-ethanol runs 70-80 cents a gallon more than 87 ethanol here. I've found two stations in towns 20-30 minutes away that sell 87 non-ethanol for 30 cents a gallon more. When convenient, I try to fill up at these places. I get more than 1 hundred more mile to a tank full on my 94 Chevy C1500. Chasing it down for lawn mower or snow blower doesn't pay off. Likewise on the bikes, so If I'm going through one of those towns, I fill up. If not The Kwik Trip in town has 91 for 70 cents more and I'm on my way.

Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776249
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All the Marathon stations here now sell ethanol-free; it's generally about $.40/gallon more than the watered-down 90 octane.

Worth it to me for everything except the car and truck, although as has been mentioned, 10% ethanol fuel cuts my fuel mileage by 10%. It's like putting water in the gas, and then making us pay for it ....

Lannis


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776254
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I wouldn't mind a few cents more. Regular 87 octane fuel
With 15% ethanol at this same station is 2.69 or thereabouts. 3.99 is way over a dollar more per gallon.

It's a short drive from my home so it's totally worthwhile to go get 5 gallons for the main mower etc


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776256
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Many stations here sell no-alcohol regular for about the same price as premium. I'm told that the BMW can use regular, but I don't think I'll try it in the British bikes.
BTW: The last time I tested the fuel from the name-brand stations was about 5% alcohol here.

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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776261
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It could be worse. Go to your local NAPA store and ask for part # 6205. You will get a one US quart can of ethanol free "4 cycle" fuel for only $7.99. thumbsdown


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: MikeG] #776263
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My mowers get their own special gas can ... but not special gas .
They are low compression
Bottom of the line ...Briggs & Stratton mowers ... and too unsophisticated
To appreciate overpriced gasoline .

The get the cheap stuff with ethanol and overwinter under a tarp in the sideyard ,
with
Whatever gas is left in the tank in the fall ...

They both have survived this Spartan existence for over a decade .
One is on its second muffler , a set of salvaged Wheels and a rebuilt grass catcher.
( I don't think the manufacturer intended for them to last this long )

Spring Maintenance is
roughly sucking out the old oil with a turkey baster ... and refilling with the cheapest oil I can find .
And every few years , if the engine starts to Surge ,
Cleaning out the sediment trap ... on what appears to be the simplest of plastic Bodied carburetors .

I save the good gas for the finicky 2 Cycle .
Field stripping a chainsaw , 10 miles from home is not fun .




Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776267
06/12/19 10:33 pm
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We have several local stations selling Non..... so the price is about as mentioned +.40.

It's not a matter of buying cheap mowers. I want my mowers/edgers/chain saws/weedeaters/pressure washer/rototiller and whatever to start when I need them and not have to pull the carb off and rebuild it.


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776271
06/12/19 11:18 pm
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For the amount I use in the chainsaw and lawn mower I buy 94 non ethonal so that there might still be some octane left next time I use them. The bikes get the same gas and the cars get 87 at the Co op who claim that it Is ethonal free. 87 is currently 149.9 a litre and the 94 somewhere well north of that at the Chevron. We have the pleasure of being near the top of the Canadian price list. 1.50 Cdn times .75 times 3.8 gets to about 4.27 a US gallon for the cheap stuff so I guess we're a little more expensive than south of the border. But at least we can buy some decent stuff for the bikes. Can't remember the last price I paid for 94 real gas but it must be over 5 dollars US a US 3.8 litre gallon.

No surprise mainlanders go over the border to buy gas and milk every week...….


Cheers, Wilf


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: Alan_nc] #776284
06/13/19 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by Alan_nc
We have several local stations selling Non..... so the price is about as mentioned +.40.

It's not a matter of buying cheap mowers. I want my mowers/edgers/chain saws/weedeaters/pressure washer/rototiller and whatever to start when I need them and not have to pull the carb off and rebuild it.


That's me. With 15 or 20 part-time IC engines around here, I'm very familiar with the effects of crap ethanol gas on little engines that don't get used much.

I resurrected an old John Deere mower this week from 2014 (an old church-yard mower). The carburetor was so clogged with "gas residue" that even after a good soaking, the float needle broke before it would come out of the float bowl.

I sometimes rag on our buddies in China, but when the Deere dealer wants $80 for a carburetor, and I can order a Chinese copy for $15/free shipping, there's no contest. And it bolted right up and worked, too.

I don't know how many little float and diaphragm carbs I've either rebuilt or replaced in the past few years, but I got tired of it and so (as reported a couple years ago), I now have a 55 gallon drum with stabilized, non-ethanol 90 octane fuel in it, which is used in all my little engines, and is the first and last tankful to go into my bikes when I leave on a trip.

And for once in my life, they all started up this year!

Lannis


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: Lannis] #776288
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Originally Posted by Lannis

I sometimes rag on our buddies in China, but when the Deere dealer wants $80 for a carburetor, and I can order a Chinese copy for $15/free shipping, there's no contest. And it bolted right up and worked, too.


Did that with a Toro push mower last spring that hadn't been run in six years.

I keep a five gallon can of four-cycle gas and a one gallon can of two-cycle gas. Two-cycle gas is for trimmer/edger and chain saw, four-cycle is for the 1992 JD 425. I keep Stabil in both cans and everything starts when I need it to.

Steve

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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776294
06/13/19 5:25 am
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Tish and indeed tosh, Tom bro dude come back and moan when you're paying over SEVEN dollars a gallon like we do.... mad


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776295
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I have seen higher octane petrol for sale in UK at GBP1.50 a litre, which works out at a mere GBP6.83 an Imperial gallon. I can recall the shock when it reached one whole pound per Imperial gallon. Other British posters will no doubt recall 4 gallons and a couple of shots of Redex for one pound.

Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776303
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AH.... memories of cheap gas.

I had a car in high school before most of my buddies. Gas was $0.13 /gallon at one point. Any time we headed out for the night I collected pocket change from the guys and put a couple of gallons in. I drove a Vauxhall so a couple of gallons went a long way.


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776308
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Luxury....Course we had it tough, used to live in an old house with great big holes in the roof.... wink


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: Kent Shaun] #776316
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Originally Posted by Kent Shaun
Luxury....Course we had it tough, used to live in an old house with great big holes in the roof.... wink


No problem with our roof Shaun, it was solid rock

https://www.creswell-crags.org.uk/explore/our-caves/ laughing


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For the ocean will decide,
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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776319
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Here in NJ, they do not have ethanol free gas at gas stations. If you want to go ethanol free, your choices are 1) racing gas from speed shops; 2) 100 octane from the airport; 3) liters for small engines at hardware stores; 4) remove the ethanol yourself at home.
Options 1 and 2 are expensive and inconvenient, but doable. Option 3 is very expensive for anything beyond a chainsaw or a trimmer. Option 4 is messy.
I run the airport gas in my bikes. I fill a couple of 5 gallon gas tanks, and since I don't tour any more, that lasts a while.
A few winters ago, I ran my late model snowblower on the airplane gas. It ran fantastically. It wasn't attracting the water like the ethanol does. When I drug it out the next year, it had a stuck valve. The local small engine guy, whom I trust, said that small aircooled engines in yard machines run hotter on higher octane gas, and he had seen sticking valves on them as a result a number of times. So I will either make up a batch of lower octane gas to have on hand, or I will drain the gas after every use. I have not had great luck with Stabil on gas with ethanol.

Ed from NJ

Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776323
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"Pure-Gas" lists a few for NJ, but as you say, most of them are marinas and airports ... only two or three "normal" fuel stops.

https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=NJ

Lannis


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776344
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I too got tired of replacing carburetors in all my 2-stroke tools every year. I went to av-gas stored in a separate can for my mixed fuel only and they run great and have not had to replace or rebuild a carb in years. The plug is a scary white but no seizures. My gas tractor, riding mower, lawn mower all get pump unleaded regular and run fine but I do try to drain the fuel on everything for winter storage.


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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: Kent Shaun] #776380
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Originally Posted by Kent Shaun
Tish and indeed tosh, Tom bro dude come back and moan when you're paying over SEVEN dollars a gallon like we do.... mad

Kent, I am wondering how long it takes the average working Joe in England to earn that $7 after taxes. Is a VAT included in it?
Kinda like figuring out fuel cost. Miles per dollar works better than miles per gallon when trying various fuels.
So, I'm looking for gallons per hour.
Thanks for your input on this

Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776389
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I get a lot better MPG out of real gas then with ethanol gas. Makes up the price difference.

Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776393
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Kinda lucky here in Australia, we can get E10 [10%], some other blends of E, 40 and 60 but not that common, E85 also not that common outside the metro, and ALSO we can still get ethanol free fuel in Standard 91 RON, Super 96 RON, and Ultra 98 RON, all these are pretty common. The downside is for 98 Ultra - which I use in the car and my bikes - its around $1.65/litre = $7.50AUD/imp gallon = $5.25USD.

But having access to Standard 91 is very handy for the chainsaws, lawnmower, pressure cleaner, cement mixer and other small motors.
I use E10 in my shitbox 4wd, its a Ford and its all it deserves tbh.

Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: franko] #776395
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Originally Posted by franko
Originally Posted by Kent Shaun
Tish and indeed tosh, Tom bro dude come back and moan when you're paying over SEVEN dollars a gallon like we do.... mad

Kent, I am wondering how long it takes the average working Joe in England to earn that $7 after taxes. Is a VAT included in it?
Kinda like figuring out fuel cost. Miles per dollar works better than miles per gallon when trying various fuels.
So, I'm looking for gallons per hour.
Thanks for your input on this



I'm thinking that Shaun is talking Imperial gallons rather than the puny US Gallon
The £1.25/ litre for regular gas in my neck of the woods equals approx $4.75/ US Gallon

The super duper stuff is rather more but the bikes like it so indulge them.


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For the ocean will decide,
Its not the destination,
It's the glory of the ride”
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Re: Talk About your Liquid Gold! [Re: ricochetrider] #776405
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Franko lad, buggered if I know how long Joe takes to earn $7, all I know is, people now THINK before making a pleasure drive. My company moved location t'other year, and everyone moans about how much it's costing in fuel to get to work, some have even left due to it... shocked

But you can bet your sweet bippy, our wonderful Govmint will think up a cunning plan, get us all on board, then once we're well and truly hooked. They'll shaft us good a proper, just like they did with the diesel car thing, suppose it's all a plan to get us back on horses.... confused

Bryan lad, $7 was a quick estimate of the £1.35 per Napoleonic measurement of the combustion-able liquid, we're stung for down here in the deep South. And that's ANOTHER moan...We USED to use proper English measurements, a fine English Gallon, then the Bar Stewards started to increase the price. Couldn't do that years ago with them enamel signs the petrol stations use to have, but dead easy with a push of a button when they're digital. And to stop the Peasants revolting, they gave us bloody Litres. Cos a quick look at £1.35 a litre looks far cheaper than £6.75 a Gallon, it's all to do with psychology, that's why things in shops end with 99, something that's 999 is more appealing to the Neanderthals than the same thing for 1000... wink

All this stuff is thought about years in advance, I couldn't work out why all the new trucks we were getting, had their number plates moved from the right to the left, bloody baffled me it did, asked around and no one could tell me why. THEN they brought out speed cameras and the penny dropped, them cameras are fitted to the left and if you're dragging a trailer that hid the number plate, so your speeding photo couldn't tell it was you. Answer, move the plate so they can identify the vehicle and Bob's ya uncle... thumbsup


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THEN they brought out speed cameras and the penny dropped, them cameras are fitted to the left and if you're dragging a trailer that hid the number plate, so your speeding photo couldn't tell it was you. Answer, move the plate so they can identify the vehicle and Bob's ya uncle... 


Isnt your work-truck geo-tagged ...
Cameras are obsolete.
A gps chip could charge you by the kilometer ... for any speeding... and send the bill monthly .
The tariff could be for how fast ... and how far .

You want to speed , go ahead ... you're geo-tagged ...

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