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M21 decal placement #774843 05/27/19 11:50 am
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Hi all,

I'm looking to get decals for my 1949 M21.
This appears to be the full set.

Can anyone provide any clues as to where each one goes, or any pictures of them in place?
I'm particularly interested in the "minimum oil level" as mine had a "maximum oil level" (likely not original).

Thanks in advance,

Luke

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Re: M21 decal placement [Re: Howley] #774948 05/28/19 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Howley
Hi all,

I'm looking to get decals for my 1949 M21.
This appears to be the full set.

Can anyone provide any clues as to where each one goes, or any pictures of them in place?
I'm particularly interested in the "minimum oil level" as mine had a "maximum oil level" (likely not original).

Thanks in advance,

Luke

Your link did not come through .
If they are a single page with a lot of redundent decals found as a single page on eBay, give them a wide berth.
This turkey has been around for decades selling sets that are not sets and confusing all who buy them then try to work out where the decals that were never fitted in the first place go.
Also he prints them on clear Mylar that is very thick so does not contort to fit around the curves without creasing .


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Re: M21 decal placement [Re: Howley] #774952 05/28/19 1:38 pm
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If its this listing

https://www.eBay.co.uk/itm/BSA-M21-600cc-Pre-Unit-Single-1937-to-1954-Full-Transfer-decal-Set-Motorcycle-/112626668608?ul_noapp=true&nma=true&si=SYngkVECdRAfqB3utxP%252Bpn23NoE%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Then 100% concur with WM20, they are not decals but toy stickers for 3 year olds.

Re: M21 decal placement [Re: Howley] #775042 05/29/19 7:50 am
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G'day Luke,
From the WD site.
Drivers handbook states,"the oil should not cover the top of the filter and the level must not be allowed to fall below half way down the tank".
WD M20s didn't use the decal only pre and post war (maybe early war) so I fitted mine at the mid point.

[Linked Image]009 by Matthew Leahy, on Flickr

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Re: M21 decal placement [Re: kommando] #775046 05/29/19 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by kommando
If its this listing

https://www.eBay.co.uk/itm/BSA-M21-600cc-Pre-Unit-Single-1937-to-1954-Full-Transfer-decal-Set-Motorcycle-/112626668608?ul_noapp=true&nma=true&si=SYngkVECdRAfqB3utxP%252Bpn23NoE%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Then 100% concur with WM20, they are not decals but toy stickers for 3 year olds.


You would no believe how much grief this ###### has caused the BSAMCC of NSW and myself over the years.
Soooo many people in a right state because they can not find out where the decals that were not originally there should go.
Then of course they either washed off or cracked when people tried to put a clear over the top.


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Re: M21 decal placement [Re: Howley] #775048 05/29/19 9:48 am
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None of the factory catalogues or factory publicity material shows decals, so for authenticity we are forced to look at magazine articles or original & untouched bikes.
The Owners handbook shows a "minimum oil level" decal on the cut away tank depicting the intank filter.
What I was told a very long time ago by a retired bike shop owners was the decals came with the bike and were fitted by the dealers.
The reason for this was the painted parts were painted a long while before they went onto a bike and a lot of painted parts are common to a large number of different models with different wheel sizes.
Pre WW II BSa used varnish transfer and these were a lot more robust so would take a few bumps during transit & were factory applied.
However the water slide type were quite fragile so the dealers put them on prior to sales.

The oil tank had a felt or wire filter over the return line inside the oil tank and on those models there was a minimum oil level decal placed at the bottom of the oil filter, about 1/2 way down the tank.
As shown in the photo in the previous post there can be a garter belt decal on the tool box lid.
Depending upon which tail lamp bracket was fitted there may have been a set of gold rifles with the letters BSA under them on top of the tail light bracket.
It could also have the same + 600 cc and the 600 cc was a seperate decal.
On a rigid bike with the oiled foam air filter there may have been an AMAL decal regarding the cleaning & oiling of the filter element but usually this was on the inside of the filter cover.
AFAIK there was no AMAL decal on plunger framed bikes but all plunger had the tail lamp bracket decal.
None of them had a "Made in England" in any one of the 5 variations
So a "full set" for a 49 M21 would be 2 to 4 depending upon the model.
There may have been a Smiths decal on the speedometer regarding the trip meter.


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Re: M21 decal placement [Re: Howley] #775075 05/29/19 4:50 pm
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Kommando and BSA WM20:

I am in agreement with you on those "stickers."
I have complained about them many times. They are often misrepresented as "decals."

I own an original BSA B44 Victor. The factory used a big red BSA sticker on each side of the yellow tank, and as the years went by, both of them SHRUNK, leaving a sticky glue border which attracted and holds the dirt.

Looks like crap.

Re: M21 decal placement [Re: Howley] #775303 06/01/19 12:19 am
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Thanks for the great info everyone. Is there a reputable source for actual decals?
Do the decals were often placed by the dealers, does that mean they were not cleared over?
How would it work now days at a painter's? Do waterslides work under modern clears?

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Re: M21 decal placement [Re: Howley] #775514 06/03/19 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by Howley
Thanks for the great info everyone. Is there a reputable source for actual decals?
Do the decals were often placed by the dealers, does that mean they were not cleared over?
How would it work now days at a painter's? Do waterslides work under modern clears?



I get decals from the Vintage Motorcycle Club, being that these are the fanatics who go to great length to ensure what they supply is 100% accurate and can usually supply exact positioning for many of them


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