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A65 Valve springs and collars #773260
05/10/19 6:20 pm
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Can anyone tell me what's different between early and later A65 valve springs and their collars? I know BSA changed the size of the valves around 1966, but I think '66 & '67 used the same springs afterward. The spring changed appears to have changed later on. Why?
When I checked availability from Brit Cycles in Canada, they combined the part numbers on both old and new BSA part numbers into a single kit for both styles adding to the confusion.
Thanks
Sam

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Re: A65 Valve springs and collars [Re: Samsmc1] #773266
05/10/19 7:32 pm
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I could be wrong but from all the heads I’ve owned the early ones came with thinner gauge steel springs. If you want some decent quality springs drop Ed at E V Engineering a call, his valve springs are second to none and will suit any A65 head. Quite possible the early springs were giving valve bounce or breaking when they started making the spitfire cam more common place.... perhaps

I can’t remember the year but valve collet/keepers changed the angle where the Twain meet. Although I do have a service bulletin somewhere. I’ve never had a problem with the ones I have and like most people I don’t know which angle most of mine are, although I know it’s crucial not to mix them up.


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Re: A65 Valve springs and collars [Re: Samsmc1] #773297
05/10/19 11:53 pm
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+1 for E V's springs. I got my last set there. I was especially impressed that they came with a spec sheet.

Allan, I think I know what you mean about the collets. A different angle would position the retainer closer to or farther from the end of the valve stem, right? I've noticed a difference there and thought it was due to wear. I instinctively matched them up though.


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Re: A65 Valve springs and collars [Re: Samsmc1] #773299
05/11/19 12:17 am
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IIRC early collets were a simple wedge shape , later were a different angle with a collar, the collar type superceded the earlier. Not sure about unit twins but this happened to unit singles over the same period. Dunno about springs but collets/ keepers changed over the years, change must be complete ,collets , collars and stems are matched.

Last edited by gavin eisler; 05/11/19 1:00 am. Reason: Nickl correction

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Re: A65 Valve springs and collars [Re: Samsmc1] #773301
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On the 71+ a65 etc the collets and top valve cap changed, these must be used as a pair as the included angle
is the difference. This does not affect the valves which are the same as all post 66. Beware of crap pressed
collets, they don't fit anything properly and there were a load of them about.

Re: A65 Valve springs and collars [Re: Samsmc1] #773306
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Listen to NickL. I had it half right.


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Re: A65 Valve springs and collars [Re: Samsmc1] #773393
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It's easy to check. Just put 2 collets and the top cap on the valve, grip the valve in one hand and the cap in the other
and put some tension on the assembly. If you can rock the cap without moving the valve then the collets and
cap don't match. With some crap pressed collets they sit right into the cap and only hold on the last 50% or so
of the taper. Although either setup will work for a while, they will be a bitch to remove and/or may fail without warning.


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