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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Semper Gumby] #762219
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Hey one more dumb question.

How do you get the fork tubes to pull into the same spot in the top triple tree?

The axle doesn't line up exactly when I push it through between the front forks.

Is there a torque setting on the fork puller I should be using that I'm not seeing?

I can see the LH for comes up farther in the top triple tree than the RH fork.

Should I care about this? It's not off much but its not perfect.

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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Semper Gumby] #762244
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190mm in the front forks, rebuilding with new bushes and if theres any pits turn up some new damper rods from 5/16" "Drill Rod" and they will work really well with 20wt oil, if the bottom bronze cross shaped bush and the top bush have play then they will be lousy (be like a pogo stick and will bottom out or top out if you have too much spring pre-load. You may want a lighter oil but I find 20wt on a bumpy surface rides over pretty smoothly...



I'm guessing you are not fitting a fork brace of any kind (mudguard or bridging strap?) I would fit a strap across the 2 sliders if nothing else. It could be paint or anything stopping the slider coming up further or the bottom yoke needs spreading a bit further. but a brace between the two would help a lot.


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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Allan Gill] #762303
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190cc thanks Allan. Actually I have Webco fork brace for the sliders - chrome with the sticker still in the center. Couple of small holes on the side for a tie wrap to guide the brake cable.

My difficulty is getting each fork to pull up to the same height. Do I need to worry about this too much?


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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Semper Gumby] #762368
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I wouldn’t unless it’s more than a few mm


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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Allan Gill] #763572
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Here is the bike.

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Cranked it tonight for the first time. No strange noises.

Had to fatten up the idle screws. They were at 1 1/2 now at 3/4.

Had the same issue with the timing I had on the Firebird race bike.
I set the timing per the instructions but when I put a strobe on it, it never gets to full advance.
So tomorrow I’ve got to check the static full advance position,
then crank the bike, find out how many degrees dynamic full advance is off
and move the stator plate that many degrees.
Much sorting to do.

Wouldn’t you know it. A 69ish hump seat bolt holes don’t line up with the tabs on the 67 Hornet frame! Argh.

Don Hutchinson supplied the correct “red”. decals from Baxter. Terry Southern in Marietta did the painting. I’m loving this crazy bike.




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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Semper Gumby] #763583
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Love the TT pipes! Someday I would like to restore my Hornet. PRT

Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Semper Gumby] #763603
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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Semper Gumby] #763655
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Great looking bike, I find EI timing retarded every time I use the static marks, you dont need to know how far off it is, simply advance the whole timing plate a wee bit at a time till it strobes OK, 2 or 3 iterations is all it takes.


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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Semper Gumby] #763975
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That's sweet Bill. Jealous


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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: Semper Gumby] #764058
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Wonder if the Hornet frames used the earlier frame tab locations ala 66 and previous. 67 on were further back (yet flat) 69 on were in the same place as 67/68 but raised (dog leg bracket)

Is it just me or can no one else see the linked image? (it comes on for a brief moment then disappears crazy )

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Re: 32 Amal’s for a Hornet Flat Tracker [Re: gavin eisler] #767184
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Originally Posted by gavin eisler
Great looking bike, I find EI timing retarded every time I use the static marks, you dont need to know how far off it is, simply advance the whole timing plate a wee bit at a time till it strobes OK, 2 or 3 iterations is all it takes.


Yes Gavin. Not just a wee bit bit a full half tic off!

I've got two of these installed. One on the Hornet (The Red Head), and one on the Firebird (Blondie).
When I use the static mark on the the stator and then put a timing light on it the full advance never reaches the the mark.! I end up moving the timing plate about half a full tic clockwise to get the full advance timing right.

I was thinking about giving Electrix World a piece of my mind but now its a known quantity and it fits a bunch of bikes so I justs deals with it. BSA must be pretty far down their list.

And the dawg gone thing works!

Can't argue with success.

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OK I have raced the Red Head* twice.

I did the AHRMA race school at Roebling Road and this last weekend I put the bike in Flat Track Trim and Raced at Aonia! Andrew Cowell yelled at us the whole time during the school. Of course he was right God Bless him. The lines he showed us around Roebling road were perfect. In the mock race at the end of the day. Anybody who was not on "the line" I passed. Mike Baker and Steve did all the safety wiring that I missed. (LOTS - i had no Idea) and were fully responsible for me having a bike passing Tech to ride in the class that day. I am once again deeply in their debt. Thank you Mike and Steve.

Did I mention I ran into Pushrod Tom at Roebling Road!!! Touch greatness.

The bike did great. When I do race I will be in the Classic Sixties 650 Class.

Except that I had the wrong counter shaft sprocket (17T) it ran like a top. The plugs ceramics looked kinda orange on a diet of leaded 110 VP fuel.
The Heidenau tires on the 19" rims performed flawlessly. And I noticed no suspension craziness from the OIF front forks the Bruce Triplet worked on for me. Ditto the Hagon rear shocks. Because my gearing was wrong i was engine braking into all the corners i.e. not going fast enough. But the bike was stable enough on the front straight that I could take a hand off the handle bar and tuck in. The tech guys wouldn't let me keep my camera on the helmet so I have no video. eek

This last weekend I rode flat track at Aonia with the original forks (shortened) and the flat track tires. Maxxis 27.0-19 rear and a Dunlop K180 110/80-19 front. And I've got video. Did a bunch of practicing and one heat race before I learned (again!) what works for me on flat track. In the final I passed two other riders and took second in my class Sportsman 750. Not bad for a 650 bike. I'm going to see if I can get some video up on line so you can see what a terrible rider I am.

Either way it was great fun.

After Roebling Road I switched from B7ES plugs to B8ES and dropped the main jet from 220 to 210. Beno got on me for running too hot a plug. He put some old time 10.5 domed pistons in the motor and I guess he didn't want putting a hole in the piston. Everything else stayed the same.

I need a quicker draw throttle on the Red Head. Seemed like I couldn't get the throttle on fast enough coming out of the corners on the dirt and road tracks.

I also road 4 motos on the 71 Firebird in the Mud for the Sportsman Open Twin and the Age 50+ classes (I get to race more). There has been so much rain in the south that the ground is saturated. In the final the lead guy on a Norton 750 fell. And on the third lap I started closing in on the leader who was riding a Matchless 650 twin. I picked my corner to pass him and went for it. It was an outside line where I found some traction in the fresh grass. Traction was a lie though. When I turned in, the bike turned all the way to the ground and went SWOOOOOSH across the grass. I let go and also went swoosh by myself. Mud sliding makes for a very soft get off. When I picked up the bike the clutch lever was broken. But I managed to get it lined up and finished the race for another second.

I was going to run the Cross-country (with a replacement clutch lever) but I got stuck in the mud on the sighting lap and decided that discretion...

Still searching for BSA glory.

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Re: UPDATE - UPDATE TIME [Re: Semper Gumby] #767222
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Glad you finally got on a roadrace track. After scaring myself sh*tless too many times trying to keep up with you in the mountains of north Georgia, I'm feeling the playing field as it were will be leveled. Oil that BSA up good and see you at CMP!

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Here is the Video Link...

https://youtu.be/B573OxI4zMY

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Re: UPDATE - UPDATE TIME [Re: Semper Gumby] #767246
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Was the track as muddy as it looks ? Sounds like your having fun with that Hornet.


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Re: UPDATE - UPDATE TIME [Re: Semper Gumby] #767249
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Sounds magic, tough conditions.


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Originally Posted by gavin eisler
Sounds magic, tough conditions.


LOVE THE SOUND.

Slick going in and Rutty coming out of the corners.

Bruce Triplet is having some shortened springs (for the shortened forks) made for me for this front end that should improve the handling a bit.


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EXCELLENT! That was great.

One suggestion for you.

You need a sidecar and a monkey. Hint, hint.


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Bill, Great to meet you and Mike and also the younger fella (sorry, bad with names) with the BSA on his leg. Your Hornet really caught my eye because it is so tidy and also looks just like mine did for many years. Please keep us posted with your adventures! I have been slowly but surely working on a plan to get the 'Most Popular Motorcycle in the World' back on top this year in the land speed wars. Not an easy task! Cheers, PRT

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Originally Posted by pushrod tom
I have been slowly but surely working on a plan to get the 'Most Popular Motorcycle in the World' back on top this year in the land speed wars. Not an easy task! Cheers, PRT

Nope, hard to beat the "World's fastest Motorcycle" grin


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Tom, the young guy is Steve. Races an Aermacchi but has a Lightning that will, with my not so gentle prodding, be on the track at Kershaw in about a month. Bring on the Triumph/ BSA battles!

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Wow, looks like the next move is to the scrap heap for the champion machine...LOL


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still messing with the wheels. when the motor is back together i'll do new pipes that turn in and tuck straight under the frame.


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Cant wait to see it Kev.

I'm missing Kershaw this weekend. frown

Needs to make a proper pan for it. Gotta saw off the centerstand tabs i think...


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