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Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759231 12/14/18 1:38 am
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...that is what I mentioned; always the name was Papa not patata (only in half of Spain use that word the rest use Papa)

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Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759248 12/14/18 11:27 am
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I have to admit despite a four year college degree my vocabulary is somewhat limited...And the few big words I know are mispronounced..But I do have many ways to use the F word ...When in mixed company I tend to talk less because without profanity I'm lost for words.


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Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759255 12/14/18 12:40 pm
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I'm with you, Hillbilly. I have a four year college education but grew up in a working class family, and have almost always worked in that world. As a result, too often, I also slip into profanity during conversations.

Any advantage I have in vocabulary came from being a business and history major in college.
Having to do a LOT of term papers in history classes made me more proficient in my writing.

You have to study a lot of English usage as a sideline to get good grades on those papers !

Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759263 12/14/18 12:54 pm
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Irish Swede, I went through college with a female friend in most of the same classes.. I just copied her work...But i would up working construction for a living..Conversations were like, "what the F is that" You're F ing crazy, we can't to that S".. "F off A hole"...I was an electrician and usually a foreman... Had a job meeting on a difficult hospital addition. Engineers, consultants and all trades sitting around a large table, each in turn gave their report on the job and progress...When It got to me, I simply said. " It's all F'd up as usual " A woman architect laughed so hard she blew coffee out her nose...


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Re: about words and languages [Re: Hillbilly bike] #759291 12/14/18 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly bike
Engineers, consultants and all trades sitting around a large table, each in turn gave their report on the job and progress...When It got to me, I simply said. " It's all F'd up as usual " A woman architect laughed so hard she blew coffee out her nose...

From an early age I was regaled with stories of my dad's time as a US Naval captain during WWII. In polite society, you might have been better off to use the naval term he taught me.... Fubar. An acronym standing for "fouled up beyond all recognition". Of course, I realize now that "fouled" is the cleaned-up version for 6 year old sons. laughing

There was also Snafu.... situation normal, all fouled up. There was also a third similar situational term, which escapes me at present.

► This point brings up yet another. Apparently, according to this particular writer's tip page Bell Labs had to invent the word "acronym" ! This because they were heavily involved in RADAR research and development during the war.

For Anglophiles, there is a British connection here. Early in the war the British had several secrets which they understood could help win the war, but which their industry lacked the time, money and man-power to refine in time. The Brits "gave" those secrets to the US Government in hopes that they could be developed and mass produced in time to help the war effort. One of those was the resonant cavity magnetron. The magnetron vastly simplified and reduced the size of radar sets, making it possible to build radar units small enough to be mounted in planes and ships. Both sides had land-based radar, but only the Allies had airborne radar, thanks to keen inventive British minds, and the development and manufacturing prowess of places like Bell Labs. The magnetron also made possible centimeter wavelength microwave which gave the necessary clarity to spot U-boats at sea. The magnetron, more than any other invention, helped change the tide of WWII.

What were the other British secrets ? Penicillin, the world's first antibiotic, rockets, explosives, gyroscopic gun sights, submarine detection devices, self-sealing fuel tanks, and even initial work on jet engines and the atomic bomb.

Good stuff. clap


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Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759309 12/14/18 8:04 pm
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The greatest British "secret" is the so-called "British Constitution."
No Brit can show you one or where to find it, because it doesn't exist.

It's only what Parliament passes or says it is at any given time, which can change from day to day.

Any Brit out there want to contest this statement?

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
The greatest British "secret" is the so-called "British Constitution."
No Brit can show you one or where to find it, because it doesn't exist.

It's only what Parliament passes or says it is at any given time, which can change from day to day.

Any Brit out there want to contest this statement?


From Language to Secrets to Politics in one easy step!

The other British wartime inventions that must have had the Americans slapping their foreheads and saying "Why didn't WE think of that?" and then promptly adopted them were steam catapults (instead of failure prone hydraulic), steel decks instead of teak, and angled flight decks instead of straight ones on aircraft carriers .....

And perhaps "BOHICA" is the acronym that RF is searching for ... ?

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Re: about words and languages [Re: Irish Swede] #759322 12/14/18 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
The greatest British "secret" is the so-called "British Constitution."
No Brit can show you one or where to find it, because it doesn't exist.

It's only what Parliament passes or says it is at any given time, which can change from day to day.

Any Brit out there want to contest this statement?


It's unwritten

Re: about words and languages [Re: Irish Swede] #759345 12/15/18 12:21 am
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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
The greatest British "secret" is the so-called "British Constitution."
No Brit can show you one or where to find it, because it doesn't exist.

It's only what Parliament passes or says it is at any given time, which can change from day to day.

Any Brit out there want to contest this statement?

But funnily enough....the Magna Carta - which is the backbone of many a constitution worldwide - was formed and written in Britain.

Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759356 12/15/18 1:48 am
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The UK constitution is a living developing thing.
It is not just continually updated by Acts of Parliament but also by interpretations by the Courts of Law.

Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759358 12/15/18 2:35 am
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Unfortunately, "interpretations by courts of law" BECOMING "law" is what's happening here in the USA,
even though CONGRESS is mandated by our REAL, WRITTEN Constitution to PASS the laws,
the courts have endowed THEMSELVES with the power to create new laws.

This was never the Constitutionally intended purpose of the courts in this country.

Interpretations of laws by the courts is called "legal precedence," which is usually no more
than a stack of leaking bandages atop a continually bleeding wound.

The Dred Scott decision was a "legal precedent" that was one of the causes of the Civil War.

Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759359 12/15/18 2:36 am
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Unfortunately, "interpretations by courts of law" BECOMING "law" is what's happening here in the USA,
even though CONGRESS is mandated by our REAL, WRITTEN Constitution to PASS the laws,
the courts have endowed THEMSELVES with the power to create new laws.

This was never the Constitutionally intended purpose of the courts in this country.

Interpretations of laws by the courts is called "legal precedence," which is usually no more
than a stack of leaking bandages atop a continually bleeding wound.

The Dred Scott decision was a "legal precedent" that was one of the causes of the Civil War.

Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759360 12/15/18 2:38 am
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...words, languages, secrets, politics...imagine the crazy mixed and possibly uber difficult language that could be developed if some 500 years ago Spain had been succeeded with that England invasion.
Regarding politics; is all about the power, like this mentioned case; then the normal people is at the mercy of one of these powerful men and their desires.

Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759365 12/15/18 3:31 am
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Fundamentally, it really needs one to have a strong constitution to fully cope with this " for the good of the populace" stuff !

Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759367 12/15/18 3:36 am
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Spend a few weeks in typical British "Various Shades of Grey and Miserable" weather and you will develop all the constitution you need. They even named a disorder for those without the stomach for it!

Rod


So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
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Nick, fair call! They were an unpleasant experience to say the least. We were about 10 Km form the first 7.1 quake, very effective alarm clock though.

Rod

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So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759387 12/15/18 10:55 am
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Convoys, hunter-killer groups, ASDIC, various means to sink U-boats, Blitzkrieg.

I could go on .. and on.

Re: about words and languages [Re: Irish Swede] #759388 12/15/18 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Unfortunately, "interpretations by courts of law" BECOMING "law" is what's happening here in the USA,
even though CONGRESS is mandated by our REAL, WRITTEN Constitution to PASS the laws,
the courts have endowed THEMSELVES with the power to create new laws.

This was never the Constitutionally intended purpose of the courts in this country.

Interpretations of laws by the courts is called "legal precedence," which is usually no more
than a stack of leaking bandages atop a continually bleeding wound.

The Dred Scott decision was a "legal precedent" that was one of the causes of the Civil War.


Yes, but the Dredd Scott decision came out of slavery..The Civil War was more about states rights but it was slavery that led up to it.. The US Constitution is a limitation on the power of the Federal Gov't..But that's not exactly what it has become and it will always be the fight here,..


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Re: about words and languages [Re: R Moulding] #759389 12/15/18 12:25 pm
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Nick, fair call! They were an unpleasant experience to say the least. We were about 10 Km form the first 7.1 quake, very effective alarm clock though.

Rod


7.1 is a shaker.

i lived on the san andreas for many years, but the biggest i ever had was 6.9


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Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759392 12/15/18 12:39 pm
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Hillbilly, once again you have it correct.

Maybe someday we'll have a beer together.

Re: about words and languages [Re: Irish Swede] #759395 12/15/18 1:19 pm
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Irish, perhaps we will....


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Re: about words and languages [Re: reverb] #759448 12/16/18 11:46 am
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Back on topic

My GF is Lithuanian and can speak Lithuanian, Russian Italian and English.she doesn't like Spanish (or at least canarian espanol)so refuses to learn just yet

She has a very pragmatic approach to language. Rather than get bogged down in the linguistics and mechanics of each, she just says enough to allow the listener to decipher the meaning. She Takes liberties with language especially when talking to English people who she suggests are the most tolerant and understanding. She always starts off with "i'm so sorry my English is not very good" and we are like putty in her hands from there on in


It can also be very endearing
"What about it is you are talking?"
"What you can to mean?"
"It's not so tall as in this picture looking" (when speaking about a picture of Vilnius the capital)
Is so cute -to me- I hope she never changes and I never correct her unless she specifically asks.


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