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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
[Re: Richard Phillips]
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11/23/18 11:43 pm
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I have only seen one of those bigger tanks, and that on eBay a few years ago. I think it would be great to have the extra oil capacity, for cooler oil maybe?
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
[Re: Irish Swede]
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11/26/18 4:31 am
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Gary E
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I have only seen one of those bigger tanks, and that on eBay a few years ago. I think it would be great to have the extra oil capacity, for cooler oil maybe? The west coast Hornet oil tank is frame specific. It will not fit any other frame other than the west coast model Hornet and Wasp.
1967 BSA Wasp 1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model) 1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model) 1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler 1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
[Re: Gary E]
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11/26/18 12:57 pm
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I have only seen one of those bigger tanks, and that on eBay a few years ago. I think it would be great to have the extra oil capacity, for cooler oil maybe? The west coast Hornet oil tank is frame specific. It will not fit any other frame other than the west coast model Hornet and Wasp. A frame could have brackets removed or fitted to accept the tank maybe or is there some serious frame tube surgury required?
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
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11/26/18 6:23 pm
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Richard Phillips
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The frame is defiantly West Coast Hornet Specific. The overall shape of the frame is not different, I would say the saddle it sits in, is different ( although not sure) and there is a lug welded to the curved down tube behind where the tool box used to sit. I should have posted this on the Hornet thread. I am hoping to help anyone up against the installation of 1 gallon oil tank used for the WC Hornet and or hear from others who have done this. By the way the tank has to be installed before shocks are mounted. I could not use the original BSA bracket to mount to the oil tank and the threaded insert to the frame lug. Gary had the same problem, making his own bracket. I made a card board template aligning the mounting holes then formed the bracket from aluminum. I was able to use a bushed grommet through the bracket to the frame lug, so there is a bit of rubber cushion. Suffice to say this took a few attempts. Since I have a spare WC Hornet Tank and an A65 Frame I plan to verify the saddle difference, if any. Sorry I have not mastered the photo attachment. I would be happy to provided a pic of the bracket unmounted and mounted. Plus I would like to post pictures of the restoration process.
Thank you, Richard
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
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11/27/18 1:45 am
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.having never seen a western tank , Im guessing , Parts 11 through 18 ? ![[Linked Image]](https://www.draganfly.co.uk/images/shop/a65/67/13.jpg)
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
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11/27/18 2:43 am
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I put a non-matching oil tank on my '70-framed A65 bitsa - not a large capacity tank, just a regular A65 tank, year unknown, has an outlet spigot near the top for the rocker oil feed, if that dates it. Anyway, I had to jump through a couple of hoops to make it fit. Climbing off its mounts when the rear bracket was lined up, etc. I had to shim up the bottom frame lugs with SS fender washers, one side more so than the other. I had taper-head machine screws welded to the top washer, so I could stack the other washers beneath as needed. The screws go through the holes in the frame lugs and nuts underneath hold everything in place. I can't quite remember how I attached the bumper rubbers to the fender washers, but I think I cut the flanges off the rubbers and glued them in place.
I also reengineered the top rear mount, which I think is necessary in all cases, since the factory setup does not adequately isolate the oil tank lug from both the frame AND the mounting bolt (and nut and washers).
Mark Z
'65(lower)/'66(upper, wheels, front end, controls)/'67(seat, exhaust, fuel tank, headlamp)/'70(frame) A65 Bitsa.
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
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11/27/18 3:56 am
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1966 Factory Spares manual shows no frame differences amongst all models of A50 and A65. I believe the same is true for 1967, but my '67 Spares manual is out on loan.
Mark Z
'65(lower)/'66(upper, wheels, front end, controls)/'67(seat, exhaust, fuel tank, headlamp)/'70(frame) A65 Bitsa.
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
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11/28/18 3:36 am
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Mark Z
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Richard, check out postimage.org.
Upload photo to postimage, click on uploaded photo, click on "Share". You'll see a list of URLs; click on the URL that's labeled "Hotlink for forums". Right click, select "Copy". Then just "Paste" into the forum.
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'65(lower)/'66(upper, wheels, front end, controls)/'67(seat, exhaust, fuel tank, headlamp)/'70(frame) A65 Bitsa.
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
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11/29/18 5:57 am
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
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12/07/18 4:28 am
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Hi Richard - Putting one together right now that I found in a container here in Atlanta! The back bracket, that fits into the RH inside of the frame, was twisted.from the factory. As other people said i used a soft pry bar to position the tank so I could fit the right rear bracket in place. I still have the original rubbers! The Oil drain looks like it will interference with the frame so I may not have it just right. I'm hoping to flat track and road race this bike.
Waiting on a motor from Beno...
Last edited by Semper Gumby; 12/07/18 4:38 am.
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Re: 1967 West Coast Hornet Oil Tank
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12/20/18 11:12 pm
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Gary E
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Frame Part Numbers:
West Coast Hornet/Wasp Frame: 68-4281 East Coast Hornet/Wasp Frame: 68-4279
The welded in tank saddle is different for the west coast model than the east coast model. It is narrower in width; the round mounting rubber bumps are closer together for the larger capacity west coast tank than on the standard size (east coast Hornet) oil tank. The west coast tank oil in/out hose tubes are located differently than a standard tank. And as Richard pointed out, the rear fender front mount on the rear of the tank saddle is different. Also the mounting tabs on the saddle front are different for mounting the side cover cross bracket.
One could cut out the welded in tank saddle on an east coast frame and weld in a west coast tank saddle, that is, if you had a west coast tank saddle available, but why would you. I guess if someone had a west coast frame that was already cannibalized, there might be the saddle available. But then the upper rear threaded mounting boss has to be welded, not "to", but "INTO" the frame tube...in the correct location and position.
The west coast oil tank installs from the right side of the frame, turning, twisting, angling, all the while verbally cussing that it won't go in without scratching or chipping new frame and tank paint. Install it first in a bare frame before anything else. Oh, and put the filter plug in first, as the plug doesn't want to come all of the way out after the tank is in the frame. Good luck changing the oil later. What a mess you will have.
Can't tell whether a Hornet is a west or east coast model with the side covers on? Look at the oil tank filler. The filler neck is longer on the larger west coast tank.
Images of the differences in the west and east coast model frames and tanks are all in the sticky Hornet, et al thread.
Last edited by Gary E; 12/20/18 11:20 pm.
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