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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #756782
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Nicks can begin cracks and then rod failure.

"powder coating the frame and black parts"?
So much for supposedly "restoring" this bike.

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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #757186
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Attached are photos taken during the disassembly

Attached Files IMG_0723(1).JPGIMG_0724.JPGIMG_0725(1).JPGIMG_0726(1).JPGIMG_0727(1).JPG

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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #757192
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Additonal photos...

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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758387
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I took my fuel tank and fenders to a collision shop where a friend looked at it. His color scanning device was not cooperating that day so we looked through a catalog of color samples. If I understood him correctly, the scanning device will scan the color, then produce results of what it finds to be the closest matches from the available colors in a database. He will get back to me when the device is working again. I had previously thought that it provide some kind of "recipe", if you will, to produce an exact match of the scanned color. Apparently, this is not the case. Furthermore, the product that they are using is a PPG water based product that is extremely difficult to mix a custom match.

After lightly buffing the paint that was under the chrome Triumph badges, we tried to find the closest match using the sample swatches. The white appears to have morphed into a very creamy, yellowish white over the years, even under the badge. It's hard to say, but I say this based upon pictures that depict a much whiter "Alaskan White" than what is on my tank. What effect the years of aging has had on the green is anybody's guess. The odd thing is that the Mist Green found under the badge is darker than the exposed part, and the Alaskan White appears lighter than the exposed part. I've been searching for pictures of 67 TR6s, and have found what appears to be a variety of different Mist Greens. After looking a dozens of shades of metallic green paints, we found one that is slightly lighter that we think might be the closest match of an existing color. In the meantime, his painter found another possible match. They ordered a pint to check it as well. They intend to spray a couple of samples in both of the selected colors to see the resulting color when sprayed over the white base color.

I'm still hoping to identify an exact color match for the Mist Green. If I do, I will post it on this forum. However, I'm not sure about the Alaskan White. I'm not yet convinced that trying to match what is currently on my tank will reproduce a color that left the factory if that is what someone is looking for. I'll attach some photos, but it looks different in person than in the photos.

In the meantime, I have a paintless dent repair shop attempting to get the dent out of the tank.

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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758388
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Thanks for the update. I wonder if anyone has access to a paint system to see what other metallic green chips are similar to that Hyundai colour?

http://www.lechler.eu/en/Home/Refinish/Colour-References

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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758409
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I like this color. It's close enough for the girls I know.

[Linked Image]Mistgreenbeetle

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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758428
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Don't trust "pictures" of other tanks if you already have an original-paint tank.

Photographic practices can cause misleading differences in color, from the photos versus the original subjects.

You KNOW the paint that is under the badges was not affected by sunlight, so I would go with those colors, same for any color under the bottom of the tank, undersides of the fenders and under the knee pads.
I have seen a '67 TR6R with badly faded paint on it's upper surfaces. When I pulled the latch and folded the seat up, the portion of the fender covered by the seat was in it's perfect, non-faded "Mist Green" condition.

"Alaskan White" was called "Ivory" in British home-market sales brochures, and was not a pure white. Apparently, it faded "whiter" by exposure to sunlight. The "white" painted on the tank badges is a lighter, purer white than "Alaskan White," which explains the difference between the badge and the tank "whites" in the photos.

Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758509
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Have your painter look at GM (Holden) Misty White. Spies Hecker Code 128P.

Rod


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How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: R Moulding] #758546
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Originally Posted by R Moulding

Have your painter look at GM (Holden) Misty White. Spies Hecker Code 128P.

Rod


I'll send that to him. Thanks for the help.

Walt


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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Irish Swede] #758555
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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Don't trust "pictures" of other tanks if you already have an original-paint tank.

Photographic practices can cause misleading differences in color, from the photos versus the original subjects.

You KNOW the paint that is under the badges was not affected by sunlight, so I would go with those colors, same for any color under the bottom of the tank, undersides of the fenders and under the knee pads.
I have seen a '67 TR6R with badly faded paint on it's upper surfaces. When I pulled the latch and folded the seat up, the portion of the fender covered by the seat was in it's perfect, non-faded "Mist Green" condition.

"Alaskan White" was called "Ivory" in British home-market sales brochures, and was not a pure white. Apparently, it faded "whiter" by exposure to sunlight. The "white" painted on the tank badges is a lighter, purer white than "Alaskan White," which explains the difference between the badge and the tank "whites" in the photos.



Yep, both the green and white are slightly different under the chrome Triumph badge from the exposed paint. The light buffing also made a difference. You're precisely right about the fading, presumably caused, at least in part, by exposure to sunlight with regard to the green paint. I don't think it is "badly" faded, but faded to some degree. However, the opposite seems to have happened to the white, at least in the case of my tank. The pictures, as you pointed out, can be misleading, but the white under the badge has a "whiter" appearance than the exposed part of the tank. Ivory might be an accurate description of either one. It's subtle, but can be seen in the picture that I posted of the tank alone. Also, the white on the chrome badge itself is, indeed, clearly whiter than the white on tank. I thought matching the white would be easy, or at least easier. but After looking at dozens of white swatches, I'm not so sure. To further complicate the issue, the painter said that the paint can look slightly different when sprayed on metal than it does on the paper swatch. And when you paint the green over white.....

I'll know more when I get back to Indiana to look at what the the guys at the paint shop have come up with.

I didn't intend to turn this into rocket surgery. I guess I have. I am making an attempt to use the paint on my bike to obtain a reasonably accurate match that can be readily reproduced by other owners along with the help of a local, skilled painter if needed. I'll gladly share whatever I find, good or bad. Hope it helps someone.

Thanks again for the advice Mr Swede.


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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758557
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I delivered the engine cases, cylinder head, and rocker covers to Speed Deluxe for vapor honing.

There were traces of some red sealant of some sort where the side covers were mated to the engine case. Apparently applied by the original owner so many years ago.

Starting the disassembly of the wheels tomorrow.


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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: HawaiianTiger] #758558
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Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
I like this color. It's close enough for the girls I know.

[Linked Image]Mistgreenbeetle

Cheers,
Bill


Some cars don't look good, no matter the color. Others are not so cursed, like this one ...

[Linked Image]

Haven't asked any girls about it though.



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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758559
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I painted my TR6 12 or so years ago, without any other reference I contacted John Chritchlow (sort of the English version of Don Hutchinson) and brought paint from him. The above paint code was obtained by matching that paint when I came to NZ.

I'll pop to the shed later and take a comparison shot of the two paints.

Rod


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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758576
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May have to take pics again in the sun,

First is a comparison with a bright white used for the tank badge

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Then the two colour together.

[Linked Image]

The mudguard was painted with cellulose supplied by John Chritchlow and then clear coated with 2K. The tank is the Holden colour painted with a modern type clear on base. I'm be really curious as to how this compares with Waits original.

Rod


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How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758598
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Rod, you do top-quality paint work.

Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: R Moulding] #758602
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Originally Posted by R Moulding

May have to take pics again in the sun,

First is a comparison with a bright white used for the tank badge

[Linked Image]

Then the two colour together.

[Linked Image]

The mudguard was painted with cellulose supplied by John Chritchlow and then clear coated with 2K. The tank is the Holden colour painted with a modern type clear on base. I'm be really curious as to how this compares with Waits original.

Rod


Thank you Rod. I just sent your photos and the paint code to my painter.


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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #758627
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That GT6 is sporting a non color. I can't even begin to describe what it is.....
except hideous.

That red sealant is Hermetite, which I believe was the factory sealant, and it's still available.

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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #764090
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What's happening with the paint matching, Walt?

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Why not get the paint from Dan Hutchinson ? He has the colors.

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I have two boxes ziplock bags filled with parts and hand written tags describing their origins. I believe that the vast majority of the parts are in serviceable condition with very few exceptions.[/quote]
My bike is a 67 Tr6c and the tank is original with 8,000 miles on it. And don’t see any decals at all. Maybe the came off but I don’t see any marks or anything. Even the side covers were just black. Did some of them not have decals ?
https://www.tonupclassics.com/2012/01/1967-triumph-trophy-tr6c-restored-and.html?m=1

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Re: 1967 TR6R - 736 miles [Re: Walt] #764118
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The switch panel had a 'Trophy Sports' decal from 1968 onwards, seemed to be plain before that.
Whether they bothered for the TR6C, given the position of the silencers, I don't know.

The example at the start of this post had original tank decals varnished over by hand, which would have been the original cheap-and-easy mass production application method.
No idea what of the original low-mileage finish and parts remains now...

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Beginning in 1968, there was no "switch panel", as that became the tool box.
But Nick is correct that the model name of the bike was a decal placed in that location, 1968-1970.

Before 1968 only the Bonnevilles had a model name decal in that location.

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