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T65 1973
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12/02/18 1:12 pm
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r.bartlett
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Chaps, what's our opinion on this , it looks genuine to my novice eyes ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/ekT06dY.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/xDimoEL.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/PacRgvV.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/O2UQlGZ.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/xDimoEL.jpg) 13k km reasonable 4k euro's.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 1:24 pm
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triton thrasher
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Post photos of engine and frame numbers.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 2:10 pm
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r.bartlett
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Post photos of engine and frame numbers. I'll request them ..
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 3:51 pm
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Tracey Spear
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that someone has built a Tribsa. A Triumph engine in a OIF frame. Cool, but not from the factory.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 3:57 pm
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Tridentman
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I have never had "personal contact" with a TR65 but understand that they were supposed to be a lower priced economy model. As far as I am aware never exported to US. Hence the European gas tank. The front brake was the "old" TLS at a time when the front brake had changed over to a disc. Looks pretty genuine to me. The only thing that sticks out to me is that as it was an economy model I think I remember that it only had a speedo--no tachometer. But my memory may be playing tricks--if so I am sure someone will come along and correct me. But looks to me to be a nice genuine example. HTH
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 4:30 pm
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triton thrasher
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The factory built a small number of BSA-badged Triumphs after production of BSA A65s stopped.
What’s needed (by those who care) is evidence that the bike pictured isn’t just a Triumph that has had its badges changed by a mischievous owner.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 4:51 pm
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The timing cover is missing the triumph triangle tag which is a pointer.
There are a few of these in Spain for some strange reason.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 4:53 pm
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r.bartlett
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The factory built a small number of BSA-badged Triumphs after production of BSA A65s stopped.
What’s needed (by those who care) is evidence that the bike pictured isn’t just a Triumph that has had its badges changed by a mischievous owner. what evidence would be required other than engine and frame numbers
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 5:04 pm
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L.A.B.
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I have never had "personal contact" with a TR65 but understand that they were supposed to be a lower priced economy model.
The T R65 was a different (later) model and was a Triumph badged as a Triumph not a Triumph badged as a BSA as the T65 was. http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbt...3-bsa-thunderbolt-with-triumph-stampings
Last edited by L.A.B.; 12/02/18 5:17 pm.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 5:16 pm
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r.bartlett
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I have never had "personal contact" with a TR65 but understand that they were supposed to be a lower priced economy model. As far as I am aware never exported to US. Hence the European gas tank. The front brake was the "old" TLS at a time when the front brake had changed over to a disc. Looks pretty genuine to me. The only thing that sticks out to me is that as it was an economy model I think I remember that it only had a speedo--no tachometer. But my memory may be playing tricks--if so I am sure someone will come along and correct me. But looks to me to be a nice genuine example. HTH I believe there are two very similar but different models badged as T65 BSA TR65 triumph I fink :-/
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 5:50 pm
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triton thrasher
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I believe there are two very similar but different models badged as
T65 BSA TR65 triumph
I fink :-/
Nope. Read what LAB wrote in the post above yours. The TR65 was a 1980s short stroke 650.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 5:59 pm
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The factory built a small number of BSA-badged Triumphs after production of BSA A65s stopped.
What’s needed (by those who care) is evidence that the bike pictured isn’t just a Triumph that has had its badges changed by a mischievous owner. what evidence would be required other than engine and frame numbers
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 6:00 pm
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r.bartlett
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Also the ignition switch appears to be in the side cover boss for a twin carb air intake..?
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 7:33 pm
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Shane in Oz
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I don't remember ever seeing one in the flesh, but Kim's double CD set has a copy of the Owner's Handbook, and years ago I saw either a workshop manual or parts manual. I think the same dealer had a primary chain case and alternator cover plate. There was certainly a batch sold to the South Australian police, but they were SA police specification. The shots tally with what I remember from the pictures I've seen, but the engine and frame numbers would be needed to be sure.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 7:38 pm
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Tridentman
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Sorry guys--my bad. I plead advancing years and scrambled little grey cells. Please forget everything I posted in this thread. Sorry again!
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 8:27 pm
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trevinoz
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It looks OK. It has the 8" front brake from the earlier models, no patent plate and the primary inspection plate which is exclusive to the model. I own number 135 which I believe to have been a South Australian Police bike.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 8:38 pm
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koan58
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As far as your pictures show, I see nothing to discredit it being a T65, with just one codicil (which I'll come back to later).
I imagine the T65 as a way to fulfill supply contracts at that most difficult of times (BSA going bust, Triumph struggling desperately) and so in some business sense, a BSA badged Triumph solved an immediate impasse. Cheekily, I'd suggest that to get Triumph motors may have been a relief to some recipients!
This may also have provided Triumph with an opportunity to use some remaining 650 parts, when they were moving to 750. So this machine should be a 650 to be genuine.
650 barrels have 8 fins. The pics may not be good enough to be certain, but I can only count 7 fins. If true, this would indicate a 750 barrel. Worth checking I'd say.
Of course, pics of the engine/frame numbers would be valuable.
Trivially, the tacho is at 90deg and there is no cable connecting it and its drive gearbox.
The TR65 didn't appear until about 10 years later, again a bit of a last gasp, this time for Triumph. It was almost entirely TR7 other than a shorter stroke crank, another fin off the barrel, and the silly cost savings mentioned earlier.
It was a fine machine, only needed EI and a splayed head to make it fly.
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 8:53 pm
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r.bartlett
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T65JH15302
frame and engine match apparently
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 8:56 pm
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r.bartlett
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![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/5PJkP8D.jpg) better pic ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/W9rAFSl.jpg)
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Re: T65 1973
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12/02/18 9:12 pm
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triton thrasher
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Something odd about that front engine mounting? Looks like it could be an attempt to rubber-mount the engine? The long lower engine mounting bolt also looks as if it could be missing?
Wonder what they did with the rear mounting?
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Re: T65 1973
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12/03/18 6:08 pm
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Something odd about that front engine mounting? Looks like it could be an attempt to rubber-mount the engine? The long lower engine mounting bolt also looks as if it could be missing?
Wonder what they did with the rear mounting. is that a question or a statement -ie have they done something as I can't see anything untoward?
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Re: T65 1973
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12/03/18 7:13 pm
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gavin eisler
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I think what TT is suggesting is that if it was a "BSA" frame the rear mounts ( and the lower mount) wouldnt work for a triumph motor. Apart from the tank badges its a triumph with the earlier TLS. Badged as a BSA because thats what the customer wanted.
71 Devimead A65 750 56 Norbsa 68 Longstroke A65 Cagiva Raptor 650 MZ TS 250 The poster formerly known as Pod
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Re: T65 1973
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12/04/18 1:24 am
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Jon W. Whitley
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Chaps,
what's our opinion on this , it looks genuine to my novice eyes
reasonable 4k euro's.
I have no doubt it's genuine as it is well known (at least by some of us) that there were a small amount of Triumphs badged as BSA's for export with the '69-'70 8" TLS front brake mated to the OIF forks. I would scoop this up with a quickness if I were you. 
Jon W.
1957 6T Thunderbird 650 1968 T100R Daytona 500 1971 TR6R Tiger 650 1970 BSA A65F 650 1955 Tiger 100 - Project 1971 BSA A65 650 - Project 1972 Norton Commando 750 "Combat"
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Re: T65 1973
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12/04/18 1:40 am
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gavin eisler
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The earlier TLS brake has wider shoes, a good thing. And it has a sturdier looking front mudguard mounting. Not a bad brew. Plus point for taking the ignition switch off the side panel, thats a pain if you use panniers, I wonder how the switch plays with the air box?
I shouldnt try to second guess TT, maybe he meant something to do with the rubber mount theory?
The BSA script on the strobe cover is a unique item. Same as a Rocket 3? I dont see why someone would fake all this, looks genuine to me, wonder what the nos are?
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