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Not British, but certainly looks it #756291 11/16/18 7:15 pm
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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #756376 11/17/18 2:30 pm
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he built it, took it to a show, then sold it somebody for a museum piece, apparently. no dirt on the tires.

shame. looks like it would be a worthwhile ride.


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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #756400 11/17/18 7:04 pm
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Mr. LaFountain is certainly to be commended for his dedication, attention to detail, and vision. I'm not sure where I to land on this. On one hand it is a very custom bike, arguably a work of art, perhaps it should be in a museum. But on the other hand, it's a very custom bike, a race bike, a hybrid, to spend that much time, effort, and money only for display does seem a bit of a shame. I guess there are those who revel in the challenge of the build. And once complete are proud to have their work displayed. Then there are those who build to ride. Personally, I think it would be more satisfying to ride it to shows and rides to show it off and tell it's story. To each their own I suppose.

Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #756444 11/18/18 2:19 am
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in america (elsewhere too, i suppose) there are lots of folks who build machines for just that--art. i remember this magnificent machine, in particular:

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gorgeous, inside and out. when asked whether the buyer would ride it, the builder said,

i hope not.

now, to me, that's a shame, because a motorcycle that doesn't move is a disappointment. but there are gun collectors who don't shoot their guns, car collectors who don't start their cars, and maybe even people who collect paintings who don't look at them, for all i know.

in the end, all of our cherished motorcycles are going to be rust and scrap metal, whether it's a DB34 or honda step-through. so their value is in what their current owner sees in them.



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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #757425 11/28/18 3:58 pm
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"now, to me, that's a shame, because a motorcycle that doesn't move is a disappointment. but there are gun collectors who don't shoot their guns, car collectors who don't start their cars, and maybe even people who collect paintings who don't look at them, for all i know.

in the end, all of our cherished motorcycles are going to be rust and scrap metal, whether it's a DB34 or honda step-through. so their value is in what their current owner sees in them."


Agreed

In the end..when I *Build a motorcycle for a ***customer, I know their intent. Whether they are riding, showing or looking for a tax write off I expect the bike to come back for service, crash repair or ****restoration back to where I left it
The best you can do is repair the machine with all the information you have and use all the tricks you know on every part.

I try using foresight in hopes that one day this machine will need another once over because of age, wear, abuse or what have you. Work according to this and the bike will be around forever.
Quickly grabbing the welder to fix a fail, the bondo to fill in a bodge or fabricating an item that makes service difficult or impossible is the first step to the machine being taken apart later on in life
- I rescue them all the time. Someones beloved chopper or cafe that was very lovingly built..left for dead because it was incorrectly assembled and too hard for the owner to repair. Now with me for scavenging.

Build them to be serviced...to handle a ham fisted rider and hopefully they will be ridden.
Make it a polished delicate flower and it will *****rot in a living room or garage just the same as outside in the elements..only much slower.

Definitions
* Build- The task of taking credit for the design work of another, specifically in cars and motorcycles (disassemble, fix, **modify and reassemble)
** Modify - The subjective changes made to a machine that may or may not improve it aesthetically and mechanically
*** Customer - The Boss
**** Restoration- To return back to factory original condition, flaws and all (no updates)
***** Rot- Decay, deterioration, oxidation - Dust attracts moisture, moisture creates oxidation, oxidation consumes metal. Rot happens when sitting, wear happens when riding!

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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #757754 12/01/18 8:37 pm
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I rather liked the custom Kaw that started this thread, but admit that it's more for the craftsmanship than anything else. But then, none of its admirers will ever ride it. All it is for any of us is a sculpture to be lauded, vilified, and/or debated, just like any piece of art. For sure, from its permanent parking place on an ivory pedestal, it will give a little pleasure to the many people who get to see it rather than a lot of pleasure to a solitary owner who rode it. A not unreasonable trade-off, I'd say. The bottom line is that motorcycles are to be enjoyed in whatever way rocks your, uh, sidecar. I'd certainly rather ride it, too, but sometimes building a bike is its own reward, and sometimes it has to be. In my case, for instance, medical problems, including eyesight (seven eye operations), peripheral neuropathy, and other issues, have kept me from riding since 2005, and severely hampered my garage time, too. But despite the fact that I will probably never put a mile on, and maybe never finish building, my T140 cafe racer ("T140 Cafe Project, cont." thread), I still enjoy owning it. And that's just the way it is.

Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: kevin roberts] #758534 12/07/18 10:32 pm
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Originally Posted by kevin roberts

in the end, all of our cherished motorcycles are going to be rust and scrap metal, whether it's a DB34 or honda step-through. so their value is in what their current owner sees in them.



That's true about the "value" of a bike, but the value can change in an instant. A guy might think his ratty BSA is worth $4,000, but that's just a number that it's worth to HIM. You can call it the "value", but it could be $4,000 or $40,000 or $4,000,000 and still be the "value".

But then he sells it at auction, and it goes for $1,800. Suddenly the Value is $1,800, not a penny more or less. UNTIL the new owner decides that it's a rare collector bike and it's "worth" $6,000, and THAT'S suddenly the "value".

The only time the "value" of the bike intersects with reality is the moment it's sold - the buyer willingly hands over the money, the seller willingly takes the money, and you've actually got a number you can hang your hat on for a few minutes, anyway .... !!

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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #759229 12/14/18 1:32 am
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...the other day finally the PO decided to pick up the phone. He knew that I had the accident and that the bike is damaged.
I called to ask about some OEM parts that possibly he would has; in the process, he suggested why not to sell it again to him...
I understand about rare bikes as a hobby but understand more about to have a bike or bikes that you really waited decades to have (because there s no any here or a handful) so that put a price for me. In my case: I do not sell it and nobody will pay here and possibly nowhere a non reasonable amount of money for a "normal" old bike.

Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #781482 08/14/19 10:46 pm
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That Jap really looked like a Brit. Sad that it was sold.


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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #781566 08/15/19 7:30 pm
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This is Brit/Italian/Kiwi/Czech with a touch of Japanese
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Greeves 200 "Blue Meanie"
Greeves 350
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Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
GM500 sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
Jawa 500 "Llareggub"
Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
'35 & '36 OK Supreme
Kawasaki ZZR1400 "Kuro no senshi"
Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #782266 08/22/19 9:24 pm
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For those who are wondering, that's a speedway engine powering the drag racer. They make 70bhp on methanol in stock form. Perhaps more with some hop ups or nitro.
Certainly has been done before, even with a Weslake motor in a featherbed frame. Definitely an awkward fit of the other engine in this frame.
Having previously ridden a Weslake in anger, this particular bike is fairly inspiring to me.
This one is all British.
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Back in the early 70's two of my friends rode W2 Kawasakis. I naturally rode both of them. But they were slower than my A10, with less vibration and more weight. Just seems to me that the W2 couldn't compete with a proper A10 no matter what was thrown at it.
Cheers,
Bill

PS
That Iron Head Sportster in the featherbed frame begs the question; how the hell do you hold on to the bars without rubber mounting them?
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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #782304 08/23/19 5:31 am
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Plenty of wasted space in that frame though, i'm sure there is a better choice.

Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #782363 08/23/19 7:04 pm
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That wezzie would be cool with a low pipe and a supercharger mounted above the gearbox


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Greeves 200 "Blue Meanie"
Greeves 350
Greeves 360
Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
GM500 sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
Jawa 500 "Llareggub"
Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
'35 & '36 OK Supreme
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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #782401 08/24/19 12:51 am
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I have nothing but admiration for the Weslake motor. Not much to look at from the outside. Rough looking castings and such. But inside it looks like jewelry and so compact and light for the power it puts out.
I think it's an amazing motor and I loved racing it. When it was on song going down the straight with the front wheel two inches off the ground, the feeling was like a magic carpet ride.
Cheers,
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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #782914 08/28/19 9:41 pm
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The "Weston" looks to be a brilliant build. But compared to most big singles, especially a Manx, its cooling fins are barely there.
Okay for a quick lap or three around a short dirt oval, but how does it stay cool for a road race?

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It's designed to run on methanol only. I've seen modded engines for gas with larger fins tacked on. I think this bike's cylinder might have the extra fins tacked on but I can't see for the pipe in the way.
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1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Black Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #783092 08/30/19 9:45 pm
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I guess they do run methanol in some road racers Down Under, but still.

Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: HawaiianTiger] #783093 08/30/19 9:51 pm
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Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
It's designed to run on methanol only. I've seen modded engines for gas with larger fins tacked on. I think this bike's cylinder might have the extra fins tacked on but I can't see for the pipe in the way.
Cheers,
Bill


I've witnessed a Wessy on gasoline. According to the factory manual they can run on gas, methanol and nitro. I have a gas motor that is identical to my Speedway motor except for final compression.

I know a gent that ran a Jawa 4 valve on the road with gasoline and no issues. They dissapate heat well from what I've seen. The oil does a good job too.
You can you tube Jawa 4 valve racer and see a feathered special. He was the person that turned me onto the Weslake special after I saw pics of his first bike with a Weslake on pump gas.

Found it
https://youtu.be/rA0vwGUX6hA
https://youtu.be/g7GErOrxIX0

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If it has 2 wheels I might need it.
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Re: Not British, but certainly looks it [Re: J. Charles Smith] #783180 08/31/19 9:45 pm
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That certainly answers the question, what do you do with an obsolete speedway motor? I raced my Weslake against these DOHC four valve Jawas. I always beat them to the first turn. The Jawa was a "Buzzer", which made the most power at around 8K rpm while the Weslake with a longer stroke ran at 7 full throttle. The longer stroke motors hooked up better, especially on the more slippery tracks, and accelerated harder on tacky tracks as well. They didn't last long where I was racing and the Weslake reigned supreme for a few years winning the world championship a few times.
A main modification is to change from a total loss oil system to a recovery system with a remote tank.
If someone offered me a ride on it, though, I wouldn't turn it down.
Cheers,
Bill


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1974 Commando
1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Black Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.

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