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Aftermarket A65 seats? #755318
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Hi guys,

My Dad and I are looking for a good replacement seat for his 70' Thunderbolt.

I have found these: https://www.britishbikebits.com/bsa-a50-a65-dual-hump-seat but the overall foam height looks a bit too high.

We measured my 68' A50 seat and it has a height of approximately 6 1/6" from the top of the bracket on the shock mount to the seat, just after the "hump" starts.


Can anyone verify if the BBB seats are a good fit/look? Otherwise they look like a good buy.


Thanks


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755321
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Hi Andrew, British Bike Bits are the online arm of Burton Bike Bits.

They predominantly stock the P&P seats which are notoriously hit and miss. Some really are quite nice, while some are just awful.
I would email Danny or Carolyn and ask for further info about measurements.
The other 2 main sources of your seat for your Thunderbolt would be Wassell (via any main dealer) , eg

https://www.britbikes.co.uk/seat---bsa-a50a65-1966-70-dual-seat-with-raised-back---68-9330-854-p.asp

or via RK Leighton

http://www.rk-leighton.co.uk/bsa/

Leighton's would be my own personal preference, but there may be a lead time, and they usually cost more.
Good luck!

Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755329
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+1 for Leightons.
Call them and you probably get to talk to Andrew Leighton--he is the son of the founder and what he doesnt know about seats is is not worth knowing!
They will supply direct from UK--I have bought a couple of seats that way from them.
Not super expensive with the pound so weak and pretty quick delivery (about ten days).
HTH

Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755358
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Thanks guys.

We will contact Leighton shortly. I remember when Burton Bike Bits became British Bike Bits and was wondering what changed. That's interesting.

Hopefully Leighton can hook us up with a good one.


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755360
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I found Leightons’ tiny factory last year and moseyed on in and ordered a seat cover.

Result: success.


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755383
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I have a dual seat from Leighton which looks great but gives me a sore ass on long runs,

I also have a BBB clubman seat which I prefer, the height of the foam isn’t as high as the Leighton seat and I can do several hundred miles on it without a problem. But the dual BBB seat doesn’t look as nice as leightons.

If you can, find an original and take it to a trimmer to do. A friend sent a couple of original seats to Leighton, had to request the correct foam shape (faced with complaint by Leighton) and it apparently needed some welds which had we been informed we would have done and sent back to them, instead a nice original seat base is covered with the worst pidgeon [***] welds I’ve seen on any tinware. I had to brace my Leighton dual seat also as the stud mounts collapsed.

Apart from that. I’m fairly happy with them and wouldn’t detur anyone from using them. But if your after some thing as good as what came on the bike when new.... afraid your out of luck but try and find someone who will make a new seat as good as the factory and your probably out of luck again.


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755385
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Thanks for your input, Allan.

Most of the rides are 100 miles or less, so its possible the comfort is less of an issue than it is for you. Would you say the BBB foam is softer than the Leighton or is it simply the height of it?

This may all be a moot point as I may buy a clubman seat for my A50 if I can get my Tab II Classics aluminum tank to fit it. Then I could give him my original seat.

That's kind of disappointing about the quality of the welds and the collapsed mounts. We're just after something that looks close and has the correct foam height. Maybe I should attach a picture...

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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755495
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My reports on things can be quite brutal but I like to say they are honest from my experience. Unfortunately some “quality” parts suppliers who may have the original pressings or made them for Bsa originally don’t make them now to the same pattern or quality. It’s a real shame as it costs as much to make it right as it does to make it wrong.

Your seat looks pretty good, if it’s still comfortable I would have a trimmer redo the cover and try and source the side strips, maybe from another seat.

The BBB foam isn’t soft as such but more giving without being so soft your sat on the base. I felt perched on top of the bike with my leightons seat

For the BBB dual seat I’ve had similar reports that it has been comfier over a distance.


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755612
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Here's a picture of my new seat foam (from Leighton via Walridge Motors) and cover. The foam is a good fit, firm and comfortable. The height looks and feels right, although the picture does not show the profile well. The cover is a bit thinner than the last replacement cover I had, but nice looking and a good fit. The rubber molding around the edge of the pan was shot, and I did not replace it. I edged the pan with foam, but it was not enough to keep the cover from tearing in one or two places around the edge, so I was forced to use the push-on trim that came with the cover rather than the original screw-on trim. The moral is, that rubber molding around the edge of the seat pan is important.

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That line you see across the nose of the seat is not a crease, it's a shadow.


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755640
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I was happy with my seat redone with Leighton foam and Wallridge cover - much more comfortable than original and looking like above Mark's seat, but with metal trim.
I didn't feel perched on a top of the bike, but my tank was bigger, home market tank.

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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755696
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Adam, was yours the original base?


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755718
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I bought a new seat for my OIF from BBB, a little hard but it fits and is reasonably comfortable. I'd recommend them.


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #755935
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Andrew, another option to consider http://tonyarcher.co.uk/services/bike-seats/

I have one of his fitted to my A65 http://i67.tinypic.com/1e419d.jpg


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #756735
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Hello everyone. I'm Wade Dunham, Andrew's dad. I'd like to thank everyone for their responses to Andrew's post on my behalf. I've been following up on the suggestions, asking for more information from the various vendors. I'm still waiting for some of the responses to my follow-up questions. I have a couple of questions to ask here:

1. Was the stenciled BSA logo on the back of the seat silver or gold on the original seats when the bike was new? Andrew's 1968 Royal Star is silver, but every other seat I've seen is gold.

2. Is the original type chrome trim for the sides of the seat still available? If I decide to use a local upholstery shop to rework my seat I'd like to add the trim since I have none now.

Thanks again.

Wade Dunham


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #756737
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The side trim is Stainless on both my 69 B44 VS and SS, I would have thought the A65 of the same year is the same. They are held in by small bolts with a special head that fits into the profile of the trim from the back, these rust easily so I use flanged head 4mm stainless bolts and grind the head to the same shape as the originals, then use stainless washers and nylocs on the inside to hold it all together.

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leightons have the trim and the stencil


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #756903
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On the original seat cover on my 1967 Lightning, the BSA logo was white, and it was on the lower of the two panels on the back of the hump. I can't speak for any other years, and I don't know if this information will be helpful, because all the replacement covers I've seen have gold logos. The original white logo was also larger than the logos on the replacement covers I've seen.


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Mark Z] #756904
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Thanks for the info, Mark. That is what we've seen as well.

I wonder why the new stuff is gold and smaller. Maybe a copyright infringement or something equally as ridiculous?


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #756918
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More of a case that they don’t want to buy another stencil and the public are too striped to know different. It’s a shame when people want to restore a bike to how it aught to have looked when it came off the production line (wm20 trev... notice I said aught to lol)


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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Andrew Dunham] #757531
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Andrew at Leighton answered my questions and assured me that their seat will be like the original and not thick like my current seat. I also received prompt replies from Danny at British Bike Bits. The BBB seat was briefly out of stock (it's now back in stock) so I placed an order with Leighton and the seat is supposed to ship tomorrow. I'm anxious to see it on the bike. I probably should leave it in the box until Christmas and thank the wife for buying me a present! Thanks again for all the help.

Wade Dunham

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I bought a new duel seat for my A10 Spitfire from Leightons thinking that they must be the best judging by the price and recommendations. How disappointed I was. The shape was totally wrong and it felt like you are perched far too high due to the 'extra' padding. The biggest disappointment was the two Goldie type securing bolts wouldn't fit because they had fitted UNF captive nuts and not cycle.
When I rang him with my concern over the bolts he was quite dismissive and said it was a cost thing!!!!!!
On a seat costing £200+ they can't even afford get the correct nuts fitted. I would have gladly paid an extra £2.50. In the end I tapped them but it is a far from a satisfactory solution.

Never again.

BBB seats are good and even Wassell aren't that bad

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Re: Aftermarket A65 seats? [Re: Servodyne] #757609
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Originally Posted by Wade Dunham
Andrew at Leighton answered my questions and assured me that their seat will be like the original and not thick like my current seat.

Wade Dunham



Hate to rain on your parade, but he is just saying what you want to hear, however I will wish you good luck and hope im wrong here.

Originally Posted by Servodyne
I bought a new duel seat for my A10 Spitfire from Leightons thinking that they must be the best judging by the price and recommendations. How disappointed I was. The shape was totally wrong and it felt like you are perched far too high due to the 'extra' padding. The biggest disappointment was the two Goldie type securing bolts wouldn't fit because they had fitted UNF captive nuts and not cycle.
When I rang him with my concern over the bolts he was quite dismissive and said it was a cost thing!!!!!!
On a seat costing £200+ they can't even afford get the correct nuts fitted. I would have gladly paid an extra £2.50. In the end I tapped them but it is a far from a satisfactory solution.

Never again.

BBB seats are good and even Wassell aren't that bad

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I found exactly the same with my dads A10 seat, the wassel seat for that is far comfier. I think your lucky you had UNF nuts, mine came with metric :laugh, I eventually turned mine into bolts, I found a wet bike seat was causing the bolts to rust into the nuts, then trying to undo them the captive nuts would break away from the base. I locktited studs into the nuts then locked them off with nuts (my 68 frame needs spacers between the seat and frame, later frames were shaped differently)


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