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Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? #754893
11/02/18 8:59 pm
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Howdy guys...
SO my 74 Commando has an upgraded F master cylinder and the f ront brake (otherwise original) works well enough- tho I've always dreamt of a full-on upgrade like THIS .....

BUT what about the rear brake? Currently my rear brake shoes must be about shot- there is basically nothing there, virtually zero rear brake. Another guy on *another* forum suggested that when properly set up, the stock rear brake should be pretty good... and he suggested Ferodo brake shoes as well. I see this as a possible project for this winter...

What do you guys think? Rear disc or try to begin with setting up the factory original drum first?
Ferodo brake shoes.... can anyone LINK the correct Ferodo shoes for the 74 Commando?


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Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #754899
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New shoes are not too good, some use metric sized linings and so are worn out of the box and others use the wrong linings. I now use shoe recliners who got proper linings and to the thickness based on measurement of your shoe diameter on the brakeplate and your drum id. In the UK Saftek and Villiers do this service, must be someone in US suggest Vintage Brake.

Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #754918
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Hi Tom: I'm about #230 and my son at that time around #130.
We were riding two up, on a group ride that went awry.
I hit the binders, the TLS on the front worked well as it could, the rear locked and the back end started to come around.
We didn't start to lean, the bike handled well.
Although most of our weight transferred to the front, the rear wheel still carried a good amount of weight on it.
The brakes, I thought, worked well.
Maybe a few pictures of your adjustments and pictures of the insides will get the collective here, giving constructive advice.

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Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #754924
11/03/18 4:27 am
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Hi Franko
Thanks, I can post pix of the adjustments on the outside but it might be a while before so can strip everything down and open up the brake/hub. One person elsewhere mentioned it looks like the shoes are worn pretty seriously. Here's a quick (recent) shot from the archives, and I'll post better pix as soon as I can:

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Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #754927
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Pics of your lovely bike won't do, open the rear wheel and see what's going on. It could be worn shoes, it could be grease, examine.

Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #754929
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Good Morning Tom: The INOA Tech Digest #3 shows the brake cable going through the center of the muffler hanger, That's how I have mine run. Yours looks like it is going over and around the back of the Z plate. The straighter you can keep a cable run, the less the outer housing can compress. Every little bit helps.
This book is a bit dated now, but still has useful information, http://bracebridge-street.com/images/technical/tech_digest.gif You can order it from here http://bracebridge-street.com/ it is in the technical help section

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Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #755021
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Thanks guys. I definitely plan to delve deeper into this as soon as possible, so I'll file a full report when I do get around to it. Probably won't be ths month, I'm working then off to EU for a holiday. Hopefully some time. in December.

Franko, thanks for that link and the info. I see they have an analog order form, I'll take time to download, print, & send it in to get a copy of the manual asap.

Meanwhile back at the ranch The Norton Guy over at ADVrider showed me this. FERODO BRAKE SHOES NORTON COMMANDO


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Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #755022
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Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #755039
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I will be interested to see how this pans out as the rear brake on my 72 Commando is also useless and need improving.


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Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #755077
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Always worth taking out the brake plate and inspecting the condition of the shoes.
I've seen linings worn down to the alloy shoe on some well used examples,
so by then the brakes must have been rather ineffective !?!

Re: Norton Rear Brake- Upgrade? Or Proper Set Up? [Re: ricochetrider] #755458
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I'd be curious to know what this pair are about ?
Looks meatier than yer average shoes..

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