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Hello #748169 09/06/18 9:31 pm
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Hi Guys,
I'm new to this forum and also new to owning a Goldie. 1955 DB34, at the moment in clubmans trim.
I'm looking forward to getting stuck into it over the next few months, (years)!
I'm first of all looking for a good place to get the frame shot blast and powder coated,
I've always stripped and sprayed frames in the past but I would like this to be right.
Also looking for a toolbox which mine is missing, this just for starters.

Thanks in advance for any help which comes my way.

Tom


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Re: Hello [Re: Twm] #748173 09/06/18 9:44 pm
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To get it "right," you will PAINT the frame, as B.S.A did.

These bikes are too rare and valuable to be using "modern" innovations of questionable value and appearance
to "Tart them up."

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I have no intention of "Tarting it up" this is the reason for me joining the forum,
it's painted at the moment but it was done years ago, a bit too thick and rough.
it's not been restored at all over the years and hasn't been on the road for over 30 years.
I intend to find out how to get it back to how it should be. and do it.


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For that goal, I congratulate you.

Best wishes for it, and PLEASE keep everyone here updated on your progress.

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Welcome to the forum TWM. It is always nice to see new faces. Much to learn in these forum pages. I suggest reading them all and then going back and reading them again. Do you have a parts manual yet? Do your self a favor and search out a nice copy of the Bruce Main Smith book "The Gold Star Book". You can find them used for sometimes crazy prices but the little secrete is that the book is still being sold new for a very reasonable price. Another great book is The Gold Star Buyer's Companion by Charles Falco. Lots of good info in that one as well. To my knowledge there was not a maintenance/service manual produced by BSA but rather a collection of BSA service sheets. Be sure to ask lots of questions as this forum surely enjoys helping out others complete their GS projects. PM me if you need a digital copy of the DBD GS parts manual and I will send you one. And last thing is don't throw anything away from your bike as it is now. Even if you think the piece is just old a very warn out. Put it in a box for later.

Dave

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Hello TWM, Not to misjudge any comments on powder coating and 'tarting' it up.
There is a 'marmite' feeling around powder coating.

Personally, I would paint the frame and any parts that need it.

However, even I have had to succumb to powder coating on an old MV, which had been stored apparently under the sea and could not be brought to a finish level suitable for painting.

Most/lots of Gold stars will be OK for renovation and painting, mainly due to them having oil leaks and plenty of breather mist -along with the other machines that have been carefully stores and cared for.

If at all possible, my advice is to paint the frame, this will cure after a few years and even if it has a few user marks/scratches in the future- this will satisfy the trend for 'patina'

Hope you enjoy the build and, more importantly, the ride later.

Don't be too offended by some precious comments - but your machine is a rare bike and it would be a shame to powder coat it - in my opinion

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my 55 DB 34 has frame swingarm and stands powder coated it will fair better to british weather . Then again I also fitted belt drive too .
Phil Pearson is the man for any engine parts in G.B.
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Try owens in wrexham he should have a tool box .

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Hi Tom

I have had one frame powdered and thought the colour was not black enough. Also it chips very easy but I have recently been trying coach enamel applied by brush. Takes some skill and practice but shines like new and looks authentic. Painted my Macchi recently and bar for a few runs it is good. Buy from the ‘paintman’ in UK, he sells it for land rovers etc about £20 per litre and uses a special undercoat too. Need good brushes though, think mine are US made but on holiday at moment so can’t just nip out and check, sorry. Think paint I used was called Beluga black for the Goldie. Try some small bits first though!

Tool boxes plenty on eBay or any auto jumble in UK, try Stafford next month if you don’t find one, probably the rounded one for your year and common as **** since fits b31 etc.

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Thanks very much for the warm welcome and advice guys,
It looks like it's going to be painted or should I say sprayed as that's what I usually do with lesser machines.
I have an original copy of The Gold Star Book which came with the bike. I'm busy at the moment making my garage
somewhat larger!! but I'll soon start stripping it down and getting stuck in, I can't wait.
the last time I sat on a Goldie, I was 6 years old trying to hang on to my brother, feet not even touching the pegs,
ah well enough of the past and looking forward to the future.
Thanks again for the advice. and Thanks Dave for the offer.
That's a pretty looking Goldie, Mine left the factory in Touring trim but it's in clubman at the moment.
not made my mind up yet which way to go but clubmans trim is sex on wheels, well for me anyway.

Tom


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If you are going to do as BSA did then send the frame to some one who makes tow bars and have he frame dipped cause that is how BSA did it.

OTOH to do it properly then it is a bare metal strip followed by crack detection .
After that a full POR 16 Chassis coat so the frame will never ever rust again as the chassi coat is based on a marine paint and it totally impervious to water.
Follow that with whatever rubbing cost then undercoat & finally colour top coat takes your fancy.


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Hi Twm there is a flat side toolbox on eBay now .I am in Pwllheli .
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BSA_WM20 brought up a good point I hadn't thought of, or didn't remember until now.

Metal inspection for cracks is a great idea. Also, a good motorcycle frame specialist should check the frame for any twists or bends that may have occurred in it's years of service, and jig the frame to make any necessary corrections.

It is sad to find that some parts won't fit because of old accident damage, but only discovered
AFTER you have had the frame painted ("Voice of experience" here.)

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If you take the frame to someone to check for straightness, alignment, etc, bolt a set of engine and gearbox cases into it first.

I'd recommend having an alignment check done prior to building - we had a DB32 years ago, that fell into left corners and was a bit odd to the right...when I rode behind it I could clearly see why - the steering head was twisted a touch, so that the contact patch for the wheel was to the right of the rear - oddly, it was something that hadn't been identified with string lines we used to align the wheels.

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Something to watch for on Goldie frames is a crack in the upper cross tube up behind the tranny. It's happened to me and many others I'm told. Fact is a BSA friend in Reno stopped by last week and he mentioned the Catalina he's restoring now has a broken cross tube. I repaired mine years ago by welding the tube crack and welding a piece of split tubing across the top of the tube. I've long suspected the cause of this breakage may be loosened engine or tranny mounting bolts. I dunno.

BTW fitting high grade aircraft engine and tranny bolts with Nyloc nuts sure keeps everything bundled up nicely. Tighten once and forget them! "Aircraft Spruce" is a good source of AN hardware with bolts in 1/16" increment lengths. They are on the Net.


I very knowledgeable and well equipped frame shop in CA is "GP Frame and Wheel" in Napa. I took a much abused GS Competition frame to him a few years ago. Strangely this olde racer's frame was bent sideways with the steering head tweaked. My first clue to the damage was attempting to fit engine and tranny cases showed serious misalignment. The PO must of had a bad 'get off'. oohh. The shop uses a computer measurement scanner and has a heavy duty frame work with a 3 axis hydraulic rig to pull things into place. Interestingly he does alignment work on many new modern race bikes even before they go to the track.

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Hi Twm do you still need a tool box a friend has a flat sided one for sale if you are interested give me a call on 01758 613788.
Val.

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here it is hopefully

Ive now made a start stripping it down and ordering bits.

I'll keep you all posted

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Sorry, here it is before I started,
https://ibb.co/dNem0f


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First of all, welcome here.

That's a very interesting front brake. Is it magnesium?

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I know there was previous discussion on powder coat vs paint but now that you have provided pictures of the machine when you first got it I'm wondering why you chose to "restore" it?


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Nice. I like 'as new' but I might have tried to recommission what was there. That said, I don't put up with other people's 'bodges' very well, so probably would have done the same.


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The frame has various coats of paint on it so it needs to be stripped down,
The engine which I'll strip, check and replace worn parts and rebuild.
I bought this bike off a widow who was left 30 bikes to sell, yes 30,
it was an unknown quantity, that's why I'm completely stripping it and starting from scratch.
I will be here asking the odd question and keeping you up to date with the project.
thanks for all the advice so far.
Question, what's the thoughts on a primary belt conversion and what would it do to the value.
it's just a thought at the moment while I'm making my shopping list.


Tom



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Originally Posted by Twm
The frame has various coats of paint on it so it needs to be stripped down,
The engine which I'll strip, check and replace worn parts and rebuild.
I bought this bike off a widow who was left 30 bikes to sell, yes 30,
it was an unknown quantity, that's why I'm completely stripping it and starting from scratch.
I will be here asking the odd question and keeping you up to date with the project.
thanks for all the advice so far.
Question, what's the thoughts on a primary belt conversion and what would it do to the value.
it's just a thought at the moment while I'm making my shopping list.


Tom


If you are going to strip the entire frame then do the POR 15 chassis coat treatment .
You will never ever have to worry about rust again ans you can do the whole job at home saving buckets of money.
Undercoat goes on whith a brush then the colour top caot gets sprayed with a touch up gun.
You might scratch or chip the top colout cat but you can never machanically damage the chassis coat short of the part cracking and falling off.

If you were working on a cooking version B33 , A10 , M20 etc then a clean up and back on the road could suffice.
However with a fairly rare bike like a clipper then it is worth doing the job properly.
Once the rod goes through the cases the value of the bike is lost.


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Good morning guys, hope you all had a great Christmas and a good start to the new year,
the bike is now fully stripped down, cases have been vapour blasted and all parts with paint have been down to metal
and now etch primed. I'm waiting for my barrel which is being rebored by Phil Pearson. Also Ive ordered a new crank
with other lovely bits. working on the forks at the moment, the seat has also been refurbished by RK Leightons. I'll post some pics and keep you updated.

Tom


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