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A65 Electric Start. #752327
10/11/18 2:44 pm
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I've had a search around and there is very little to no information on electric start conversions for A65s. This must mean there are non, or am I looking in the wrong place?


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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752332
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Never seen one but have for a B50 which the maker says it was too much effort to consider doing it commercially.

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752338
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Working on the Triumph version first.
http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/746712/1
The A65 will be similar, new clutch and two piece primary cover.

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752420
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Hi Peter

I'm working on a electric start system for the A65. Bit early to show any photos as its still in chunky bit of alloy which will be machined back later. Works off the clutch basket and reduction gear to a bendix starter, this all sits neatly under and behind the carbs.

Shall post some photos once its in a more refined state.

regards

John

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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752426
10/12/18 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by Peter Gascoigne
I've had a search around and there is very little to no information on electric start conversions for A65s. This must mean there are non, or am I looking in the wrong place?



with 7.5:1 pistons (or lower) you should even be able to start it by hand....


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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752541
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HI Allan

Quite correct. However you might want to consider older people with dicky knees/hips etc who still like their A65.

regards

John

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: JER.Hill] #752568
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" Older people who still like their A 65's " ! But who was it that said with age comes wisdom ?

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: JER.Hill] #752639
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Originally Posted by Triless
" Older people who still like their A 65's " ! But who was it that said with age comes wisdom ?



That’s why I’ll never age laughing


Originally Posted by JER.Hill
HI Allan

Quite correct. However you might want to consider older people with dicky knees/hips etc who still like their A65.

regards

John


Your actually very right John and I do support your reasons for doing it. I’m hoping it’s something I won’t need for some time however two up and touring, a leccy start will prove useful for anyone.


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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752663
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Ive seen photos of one converted to electric start so it is doable .....no idea about the engineering of it or where i saw the pics. I have an idea it used some sort of italian starter unit


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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752682
10/14/18 12:42 am
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Seems like you'd need a battery with some serious CCAs and a place to put it... and then a charging system to keep up with it.


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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752717
10/14/18 11:06 am
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I have one. I think it is a 65 motor. Built it some years ago. Used a 1000cc gold wing starter (reversed rotation), starter clutch from a honda 450. It drives the crank on the primary side. I cannot post pictures on this site, The stater motor fits nicely in front of the cylinders.

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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752719
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The Norton Commando starter I use has a GL1100 starter driving a GL1100 clutch on the crank, must be very similar to your setup. The Commando being non unit gives you a lot more room, so be very interested in how you got yours to fit inside a much smaller space.

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752755
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Kommando I have sent you pics to your Email.

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Mark Z] #752794
10/15/18 12:39 am
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Hi Mark,

Originally Posted by Mark Z
Seems like you'd need a battery with some serious CCAs and a place to put it

When Meriden put an electric starter on the 750, they fitted a 14.5 Ah, 125 ccA conventional lead-acid battery.

The Motobatt that's about the same physical size as an original A65 battery - the MB9U - is 11 Ah but 140 ccA.

Originally Posted by Mark Z
a charging system to keep up with it.

Meriden fitted the high-output version of the Lucas RM24 3-phase.

Hth.

Regards,

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Stuart] #752801
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I use an Antigravity 4 cell Lithium Ion battery in my T140ES. It never balks. That said, I no longer use the electric starter for fear of damage from the hokey design.


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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #752993
10/16/18 7:52 am
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Rocket man's starter pics

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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #753004
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Hi John

Thanks for posting Rocket man's photos of his ES system. While it works for him, I'm looking to have mine a little tidier with the starter sitting below and behind the carbs. The outer primary cover will be standard with no cut-outs, with the idler gear coming through the top of the primary case to drive the starter ring gear which replaces the inner of the three chain sprockets. The starter bendix will then drive the idler gear.
Sorry its not far enough on to show any photos at the moment, shall see about posting some once there is a little more shape to it.

regards

John

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #753009
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I would love to see that. I could not find the room to put the starter under the carbs. Also very limited space around the clutch basket.

Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #753011
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After doing similar as John suggested on a Commando ie motor in magneto position, chain drive down to shaft and the inside the primary a second chain to the sprag on the end of the crank and it was a really tight fit, it would be impossible on a Unit motor.

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Re: A65 Electric Start. [Re: Peter Gascoigne] #753334
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Looks good John.


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