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Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? #751707
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Thinking of trying a new Wassell carb on my 67 or 68 T100. Wondering if my stock of AMAL main jets will fit and stuff like that. The local Bike dealer has yet to stock them and would be happy to bring one in for me and get a customer response. Price is attractive. I think maybe a complete Wassell carb for little more than the AMAL body alone might be worth a try. Would appreciate any thoughts from anyone who has some experience with the Wassell.

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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #751772
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They can't be much worse than Amals


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #751929
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Originally Posted by Andy Higham
They can't be much worse than Amals



Worst problem with the amals is people being ham fisted with them, distorting bodies and float bowls. whilst the slides do wear on the bodies, chromed brass slides have been available for a long time and now anodised slides are also available.


Originally Posted by Wilfred
I think maybe a complete Wassell carb for little more than the Amal body alone might be worth a try.


Burlen (official AMAL) won't supply bodies just on their own so I would be skeptical to beleive that if you did buy an AMAL body, if it was a genuine one or not.

This is BBB's site https://www.britishbikebits.com/624-300-replacement-wassell-carburettor listing wassell carbs, they also state that the jetting should be identical to Amals, however I have also known stories where this isn't true... Possibly a QC issue.





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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #751995
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Allan The dealer I got it from had had it for a while so I think it is a real one and was a left hand one that perhaps no one wanted on it's own. However, I guess one never really knows as I didn't get it in an AMAL box. It was about 150 cdn which is what I can buy a Wassell complete for.

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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #752036
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I have had Wassals on my T140 for four years now. Nice carbys, no complaints, AMAL parts fit fine. The price is great too.

Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Allan Gill] #752272
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Originally Posted by Allan Gill
Possibly a QC issue.

QC at AMAL is not stellar either. I recently ordered two cold-start plungers for Mk2 carbs. One was fine, the other had no notch cut for the handle. Worthless without the notch. I guess they laid off their QC people!??


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: DavidP] #752310
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Originally Posted by DavidP
Originally Posted by Allan Gill
Possibly a QC issue.

QC at AMAL is not stellar either. I recently ordered two cold-start plungers for Mk2 carbs. One was fine, the other had no notch cut for the handle. Worthless without the notch. I guess they laid off their QC people!??



Depends how long they have been on the shelf, and from which supplier.


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #754138
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For what it is worth. I have them on my '68 Bonney and they work great. No issues at all.


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #754183
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Thanks everyone for your comments. Think I'll order at least one for a start so I'm ready for the spring. Two if I get another bike done by then.

Cheers Wilf


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #754202
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Its a back handed tribute to Wassel that a company like AMAL can let its quality control get so low that a cheaper copy might be a better option.


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #754389
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I think there is a lot of old stock on the market Gavin as all the ones I’ve sold have been good.


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Allan Gill] #754421
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Originally Posted by Allan Gill
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Originally Posted by Allan Gill
Possibly a QC issue.

QC at AMAL is not stellar either. I recently ordered two cold-start plungers for Mk2 carbs. One was fine, the other had no notch cut for the handle. Worthless without the notch. I guess they laid off their QC people!??



Depends how long they have been on the shelf, and from which supplier.

NO. It's what you get when you lay off real QC people and rely on the thralls who put the parts in bags to ensure quality of your product. God bless the shareholders!


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Allan Gill] #754430
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Originally Posted by Allan Gill
Originally Posted by Andy Higham
They can't be much worse than Amals



Worst problem with the amals is people being ham fisted with them, distorting bodies and float bowls.

Second worst problem is people making excuses for them.

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they also state that the jetting should be identical to Amals, however I have also known stories where this isn't true... Possibly a QC issue.

I’ve known the same jetting discrepancy between an AMAL and other AMAL. Possibly a QC issue.


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #754432
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Well, after needing to shave a new AMAL slide before it would seat to the bottom of a new AMAL body, I might as well try one and see what I get...…

Cheers, Wilf


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #755842
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Hi Everybody,
I bought a pair of Wassell EVO carbs for my 850 Commando. (Aug 2018) They work OK but I found several QC issues: One of the choke springs had a flaky crust of shiny plating all over it and I did not use the spring--didn't want metal flakes going into the motor--
one of the pilot air meter jets (removable) was plugged up with swarf .
And when you adjust each of the mixture screws to 1-1/2 turns out --one screw is level with the body of the casting and the other is about .035" proud. At least on the old battered AMAL 932s, when you set the mix screws to 1-1/2 the screw heads were almost exactly .030" proud of the casting each. It just does not inspire confidence in the manufacturing. The anodized slides look OK .

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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: Wilfred] #755881
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I've seen a couple of sets of those wassell carbs and they seem ok.
I tend not to bother with things like the height of the mixture screws though, if they work.
Flaky plating can be scrubbed up with a wire brush.

I recently fitted a pair of new AMAL premiers to a bike and they flooded like buggery out of the box,
that's what i call poor QC. The float levels were miles out, one was hitting the body.
Being that these were over twice the cost of the wassell things i wasn't very impressed.

For my own bikes, when the carbs are clapped i'll try the JRC ones, i like the flat slide and proper choke arrangement.


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Re: Wassell carbs....anybody have any thoughts? [Re: NickL] #755895
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so let me get this straight. you are calling an ENRICHNER circit a proper choke?

Originally Posted by NickL


i'll try the JRC ones, i like the flat slide and proper choke arrangement.


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the answer to all this is spelled "mikuni . . . "

it's just a carburetor


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Originally Posted by bill50cal
so let me get this straight. you are calling an ENRICHNER circit a proper choke?

Originally Posted by NickL


i'll try the JRC ones, i like the flat slide and proper choke arrangement.




Well, it's better than an aluminium slug that changes the shape of the slide anyway. (AMAL)

In the 'states i suppose miks are the way to go, they are stinking cheap there.


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Most that have worked with different types of carbs know the difference between a choke and a enrichner circuit but they both perform the same function, they richen the mixture to aid cold starts. Mukunis stamp their enricher levers "choke" so there is that.
It's kind of like arguing that motor vehicle do not have grounds in the electrical circuits. No, they do not have a heavy cable connected to a copper rod driven into the ground like your house, Yes it is a return path for current to return to the battery but we all know what ground means


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The AMAL type choke does nowt for cold starting as it is hidden inside the throttle slide. It will enrichen the mixture at part to full throttle.
the type of choke or enricher found on AMAL Mk2, Mikuni, Keihin etc provides enrichment for starting and running. It is in effect a small secondary carb


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