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BSA Letter of Authenticity needed #752056
10/09/18 2:30 pm
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Can someone tell me who I can speak with to receive a despatch letter for an A10 scrambler we own? I'm a member of the goldstar club in the UK but they deal with goldies and rocket goldies only. Thought there was someone in the states for these bikes? Thanks in advance, going to be thinning the herd just want the correct paperwork.

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Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752061
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THERE IS NO ORGANIZATION IN THE U.S. CONTACT THE BSA OWNERS CLUB IN THE UK


I APOLOGIZE FOR THE USE OF CAPS. I CAN ONLY TYPE WITH MY RIGHT HAND SO USING THE SHIFT KEY IS BEYOND MY CAPABILITES.

The Devil is in the details.

1957 BSA A10 Spitfire Scrambler (numbers matching, very correct, very nice condition)
1965 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket "Clubman" (restored)
1966 BSA A65 Spitfire MK-II (restored)
1967 BSA A65 West Coast Hornet (under rstoration)
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Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752063
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Or the Vintage Motorcycle Club (VMCC) in UK.
They have the dispatch records and can supply the sort of letter you mention.
They do this for members and non members (non members pay a bit more).
HTH

Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752075
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I believe all the organizations listed above will tell you that what they can supply is only a verification when the numbers, engine and frame, left the factory and whether they left the factory together or not. Not sure a true letter of authenticity would be available, in fact I think they all tell you that a letter like that is not available from them.


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I believe all the organizations listed above will tell you that what they can supply is only a verification when the numbers, engine and frame, left the factory and whether they left the factory together or not. Not sure a true letter of authenticity would be available, in fact I think they all tell you that a letter like that is not available from them.


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Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752084
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True, it can only be a confirmation those same numbers left the factory together and when, without a physical inspection by a knowledgeable person its just a nice piece of paper. There are a lot of fake Goldies around, the info on matching numbers is available if you know where to look.

The VMCC seem to provide a faster service than the BSAOC, both have the same identical records originally held by Science Museum London so the info is the same.

Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752092
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I am a member of the BSA owners club here in the UK and have used the services of the librarian a number of times. The last time was a few years ago when I was reclaiming the original registrtion for my A65. The information I recieved was the date it left the factory the dealer it was dispatched to, the date it was first registered, also that with the engine and frame numbers I supplied they were together when they left the factory and finally the colour it was sprayed. You could not ask really for any more info than that, but as to how long it takes to get that info for me it was less than 2 weeks you have to remember that his is a voluntary job and he does have a private life if you want to use their services then go to the website where you will find all the information required.

Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752096
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Thank you all. I'll reach out to them for the despatch letter.

Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752107
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The best they will be able to do concerning where the bike went when it left the factory and left England will be to tell you which USA distributor got that bike. In Britain, the bikes were shipped direct from the factory to dealers, but not the case in the USA.

Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752108
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Originally Posted by goodtry
a despatch letter for an A10 scrambler we own? ... Thought there was someone in the states for these bikes?
If it's a '57 Spitfire, and if you send me the engine and frame numbers in a PM, I'll tell you whether components with those numbers left the factory together.

The Vincent Owners Club used to supply certificates whose wording implied they had verified the authenticity of the engine and frame numbers but some years ago they changed the wording to reflect the fact the records only indicated a bike with those particular numbers had left the factory, not that the bike in question was certified to be authentic.

Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: Magnetoman] #752132
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Funny.
The AMCA just kicked off down here sprucing that if you went in their concours you would recieve an " authenticity certificate that would substantially increase the value of you motorcycle "
I did challenge that but simply got referred to their web site and the instructions for machine examiners.


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Seems we had this conversation a few years ago. Maybe something about having someone at auctions to authenticate entries. The problem is the liability and the cost of insurance to cover the authenticator would make each inspection cost prohibitive.


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Re: BSA Letter of Authenticity needed [Re: goodtry] #752135
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The AMCA has a different definition of "authenticity," maybe?

I have seen bikes in their circle of honor (or whatever they call it) that passed several Senior Judging inspections and won Senior Judging Awards, but were sure as Hell not "authentic" to those of us who KNOW what we are seeing.

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
The AMCA has a different definition of "authenticity," maybe?

I have seen bikes in their circle of honor (or whatever they call it) that passed several Senior Judging inspections and won Senior Judging Awards, but were sure as Hell not "authentic" to those of us who KNOW what we are seeing.




Right, so who authenticates the authenticator?


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