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Wheel weights #751358
10/03/18 12:23 pm
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Hi guys,

What is the 'classic' alternative to stick-on wheel weights? I've got a roll of thick lead flashing, can that be wrapped around a spoke and crimped? Melted down into crimp-on split tubes?
How would Mister 1940 have done it? Fishing sinkers?

Luke

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Re: Wheel weights [Re: Howley] #751361
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Some thing similar to this https://www.mikesxs.net/yamaha-xs65...g2afq3QIVi7XACh0ZcwMrEAQYByABEgLQfvD_BwE or solder wrapped around the spokes.
Problem with the solder now-a-days is stupid people pull it off the spokes when looking at the bike.

Re: Wheel weights [Re: franko] #751367
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Make sure if you get the split weights that they are tin and not steel. The steel weights like Motion Pro sells are for HD spoke nipples which are much thicker than on our bikes. The steel weights cannot be crimped in place. K&L makes some really nice tin weights that can be crimped while on the spoke so when you slide them down onto the nipple they are nice and tight. I used the K&L tin weights on my rear wheel recently to balance out a rim lock.

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Re: Wheel weights [Re: Howley] #751437
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Lead weights used to be quite common. Do-it-yourselfers might have used fishing weights, but motorcycle shops carried assortments of lead weights made for that purpose. Cheap and heavy, but lead has been banned just about everywhere, for good reason I reckon - I'm not sure you can even get lead weights for fishing anymore (not a fisherman). It's hard to get a lot of weight on with stick-ons. Fortunately there are alternatives on the market, like the one mentioned above by Scott.


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Re: Wheel weights [Re: Howley] #751472
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Thanks for the ideas guys. I'm. Going to cast my own crimp on weights in a block of wood.

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Re: Wheel weights [Re: Howley] #751501
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A friend bought those weights like Original Scot posted but they weren't wide enough to fit over his spokes. So to balance his wheel I used solder. I just spun the wheel and when it kept stopping at the same spot I wound the solder to the spokes 180 degrees opposite of it. Did it to a couple spokes and it came out fine. With solder you can make the weight heavier or lighter by just using a longer or shorter piece of solder. We rode the bike for a long time and the solder never came off. Hope this helps

Re: Wheel weights [Re: Mark Z] #751592
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Lead metal is not dangerous unless it came out of a muzzel at high velocity.
You can eat it and it just comes out the other end.
Been done hundreds of times .
Lead oxide is a totaly different animal.
Lead metal got banned because of all the chemically ignorant idiot humanities students protesting to ban some thing they knew absolutely nothing about.


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Re: Wheel weights [Re: Howley] #751742
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I used a set of slotted brass weights and they seem to work well. They fit well over the spokes then use a hex bolt to clamp down on the spoke nipple. A little blue loctite keeps the hex bolt snug

Re: Wheel weights [Re: BSA_WM20] #751848
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Originally Posted by BSA_WM20
Lead metal got banned because of all the chemically ignorant idiot humanities students protesting to ban some thing they knew absolutely nothing about.


That may well be true, but the ostensible motivation had more to do with the hazard to those involved in the production of lead than to the end users.



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Re: Wheel weights [Re: Howley] #751917
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The very first question my Chemical metallurgy lecturer asked
"what is common to all metal oxides"
Answer
They are all alkaline, abrasive and poisonious .
The very first removal of lead was tetra ethyl lead from fuel which had nothing to do with the health of anybody apart from the petrol refineries shareholders bank balances.
The total lie "health benefits" PR campaign associated with unleaded made it fashionable to deamonise lead.
Tetra ethyl lead is high toxic but you would have to drink several gallons in order to get a toxic dose & I rather think some other hydrocarbons would get you before the lead did.
Then like anything that gets deamonised it becomes the subject of intensive research and when anything goes under the microscope problems with it's handleing & use become apparent.
This can be very beneficial because regulations can be written & enforced to reduce risk, which is good.
But knee [***] banning is detrimental, particularly when there are few to no other product as suitable for the particular application.
SO banning sheet lead roofing was a good idea due to dissolution is carbonic acid rain.\
Banning it from being used as flashing was a stupid idea

And yes miing & refining lead can be hazardous to the health of the people doing it , as is zinc, iron, aluminium, gold ( extremely toxic ) copper , tin and every other metal we mine as a mineral and refine into a metal.
Lead is no more dangerous that any other metal and a lot less dangerous than copper or gold.
FWIW I studied lead poisioning and was responsible for the biological monitoring of over 2000 workers in our secondary lead refinery & battery factories for lead poisoning .
Lead in human bodies ties up haemoglobin and produces secondary anemic problems.
In adults no big deal, in children, catastrophic but the lead has to be in a form the body can adsorb which is most commonly as an oxide, sulfate/sulfide or carbonate .
Next time you see a rusted wreck of a pre 1970 vehicle,have a good look at the fuel tank.
They were made from terne plate ( like tin plate but using lead in place of tin ) and will barely have any rust while the rest of the vehicle is just about gone back to a more stable chemical composition.

And then we have things like wheel weights, nothing works as good as lead both on car wheels & motorcycle wheels.


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