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Red hunter or Deluxe???
#720313 12/29/17 12:10 am
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Question to all the Ariel experts out there. How can I tell a Red Hunter from a Deluxe of 1940 vintage. I understand the Red hunter is the more desirable and sporty of the two having higher compression and more horsepower however how do I tell externally that its a Redhunter?

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Re: Red hunter or Deluxe???
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Hi,
Whats engraved on the timing cover? Red Hunter would be RH 350 or RH 500
Usually RH has twin port head and high level pipes (My 39 had them anyway)
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Re: Red hunter or Deluxe???
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Hi John,
thanks for the reply. Cant make out the timing cover from available pic`s. It does have twin high level pipes however this is where the confusion comes in as some tell me that the Red hunter ran a single exhaust unless you optioned twin pipes from new. From info I can find so far the only real way to tell apart from engine internals is on the timing cover and some say that the VH or VG engraving is not always present, maybe due to a timing cover replacement sometime in its life. Aparently the RH ran a slightly bigger carb too.

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Hi John,
thanks for the reply. Cant make out the timing cover from available pic`s. It does have twin high level pipes however this is where the confusion comes in as some tell me that the Red hunter ran a single exhaust unless you optioned twin pipes from new. From info I can find so far the only real way to tell apart from engine internals is on the timing cover and some say that the VH or VG engraving is not always present, maybe due to a timing cover replacement sometime in its life. Aparently the RH ran a slightly bigger carb too.

Re: Red hunter or Deluxe???
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Apparently just looking at them can be deceptive, you almost have to take it for a ride to ensure it goes like a Red Hunter. ?
Plenty can have happened to them over the years.

At club night some time back, someone associated with ye olde time local Ariel Dealers mentioned that in the early 1950s, they had something like 50 orders for Red Hunters. The ship carrying them finally arrived, and they uncrated the 1st one - and it was black !. When examined closely, it wasn't a Red Hunter. And neither was any of the 50 of them. Not sure how they communicated with the factory, but it seems they didn't have enough parts to fill all the orders, so they just supplied what they could. The Dealer offered them to customers as "Black Hunters", at reduced cost. And offered a refund of deposits if the customer didn't want to proceed.

Perhaps painting it red would make them go faster ?
Food for thought ?

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The plot thickens. Another little tid-bit I heard was that the Deluxe models were generally painted black. Which maybe makes a bit of sense from a marketing point of view. Guess this many years down the track though original paint is becoming a rarity and they are becoming a little harder to identify.

Re: Red hunter or Deluxe???
lumpy #720563 12/31/17 1:13 am
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Be interesting to look into that CH engine number prefix...

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Haha. Small world......................

Re: Red hunter or Deluxe???
lumpy #722968 01/23/18 8:33 am
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A CH is a 500 cc engine from 1940... could be deluxe or Red Hunter.


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Re: Red hunter or Deluxe???
lumpy #749951 09/21/18 5:53 am
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I had a 46 350 Red Hunter in about 1958 and I'm pretty sure it was an NH as the letters meant something to me so I remembered them.

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